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Old 10-29-2009, 04:29 PM   #221
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Ya set them free on already over grazed land so ALL of them can starve or be eaten instead of just a few. Now that makes a lot of seance.
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Old 10-30-2009, 11:46 AM   #222
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Someone around here set a bunch of horses "free". They found what was left of them in the spring in such terrible condition few could be saved. Like nrhareiner said, the horses were on overgrazed land and ran out of food. The person said he was letting the horses go back to nature, how they were supposed to live. He was getting in touch with his Indian roots. He was not prosecuted because he was pretty much deemed to be insane. It is hard to believe how much those horses suffered.
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Old 10-30-2009, 01:40 PM   #223
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Although I don't agree with slaughter, I read most of your replies and a lot of them make sense.

However, a lot of slaughter houses don't kill the horses 'pain free' a lot of them don't even know if the horse is fully dead by the time they rip off their skin. I would agree with slaughter if it was done humainly, saddly it isn't though. There for I will NOT sign your petition because I don't believe in it. If the horses became over populated and the slaughter houses put them down before they brutally ripped off their skin.. then I would sign it.
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jemulchia, the horse in your photo is absolutely gorgeous!
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Old 10-31-2009, 11:10 AM   #225
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its the people that breed the horse who are to blame, they breed too many. if horses were bred natually as possible then this wouldnt be an issue. i mean taking sperm from the stallion and concieving foals using AI ? that means that the stallion could have 100s of foals in a year. thats not just over populating but thats inbreeding too.
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its the people that breed the horse who are to blame, they breed too many. if horses were bred natually as possible then this wouldnt be an issue. i mean taking sperm from the stallion and concieving foals using AI ? that means that the stallion could have 100s of foals in a year. thats not just over populating but thats inbreeding too.
Ok this has to be one of the least resurrected statements I have ever read. If it was the stallions who are being bred AI are the problem when why are there so many TB foals each year. They have never and do not allow breeding in any manner but Live cover. Yet TB stallions cover 100's of mares a year.

Also RESPONSIBLE breeders are not the problem. I breed and this years foal was sold before it was even bred. I did not have to pay for the stud fee or any breeding related cost. The person who bought the foal paid that. So the $25K I got for the foal was clear profit. Same with the next foal out my this mare.

In a way you are correct. Breeding is a big problem and of course it is the root of the problem. If you do not breed there would be no more horses. That would really solve the over population problem now wouldn't it??

The problem is the people who breed because.... (insert reason here.) Like I love my mare and I want on just like her or I want a baby or I want a project horse never mind the mare is barely broke to ride and would fit that bill very well. I can go on but you get the reason. Do not even get me started on the people who breed for color or foundation %.
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Although I don't agree with slaughter, I read most of your replies and a lot of them make sense.

However, a lot of slaughter houses don't kill the horses 'pain free' a lot of them don't even know if the horse is fully dead by the time they rip off their skin. I would agree with slaughter if it was done humainly, saddly it isn't though. There for I will NOT sign your petition because I don't believe in it. If the horses became over populated and the slaughter houses put them down before they brutally ripped off their skin.. then I would sign it.
Have you ever visited a slaughter house?

Captive Bolt goes straight through the brain destroying higher brain functions such as thought, action, pain. Brain stem is usually not damaged or as damaged and that controls basic life support functions, breathing, heartbeat, blood pressure.

After the captive bolt they slit the throat and bleed them out, thats one of the reasons why they hang them upside down. They do not know whats going on, nor do they feel whats going on, they are effectively dead at this point and even more so once bled out. They don't start taking the hair off until afterwards.

At least that is what the regulation of slaughter was in the US and Canada. I have no idea what they do in Mexico, but thats where most of our horses go now. So if you really want to insure that the hoses are getting a pain free death, bring slaughter back to the United States.
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It is no different then what you do with a Deer once you shoot it. You gut them hang them so they bleed out.
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Thank you Void for putting some real facts in the debate again.
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It is no different then what you do with a Deer once you shoot it. You gut them hang them so they bleed out.
Correct and the same methods are used in the slaughter of other livestock. Though pigs go through a morbidly funnier machine called a de-hairer. And I say morbidly funny because it's kind of surreal but kind of hilarious to watch.
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