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Old 11-06-2009, 12:23 AM   #241
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Instead of debating the pros and cons of how to deal with unwanted horses, shall we discuss how to stop the problem in the first place? Since breeding has already been brought up, I'll just point out that in many other countries you are not allowed to breed (or even own a stallion) without a permit. The much more stringent rules have the result of not only ensuring that only responsible breeding takes place, but also that less unwanted horses are produced.

For those of you on the "I don't want the government to control my life" wagon, you need to decide if you love horses or the right to breed whatever you want more. If you are a responsible person who truly only wants to breed quality then there is nothing for you to be worried about. We have a huge problem with finding unwanted horses dumped dead and alive here (as well as in other parts of the country I am sure). The people who do this are not horrible monsters, most of the time they are someone who has lost a job and has a family to feed and cannot afford to own and feed several horses as well. The current situation is far from ideal, but saying you love horses too much to see them slaughtered does nothing to fix it, and certainly does nothing for the horses benefit what so ever.
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Old 11-06-2009, 02:25 AM   #242
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I dont get it at all..

First thing.. people were all upset, and signing online petitions to stop slaughter.. the government agreed and horse slaughter was banned from the US.
Now, everyone is trying to get slaughter back!? I just dont get it.. O.o

If we get slaughter back, then there will be people trying to stop it, so really its gonna keep going around and round again.
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Old 11-06-2009, 07:05 AM   #243
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Interesting thought on controlling who can breed, etc.

It sounds simple enough but really it will not work. How are you going to tell any of the racing industries that they have restrictions on what they can and can not breed?

And what happens to the BRB who breeds anyway? How will this be regulated?


I compare the 'stop the breeding' theory to how well that has worked with small animals. We still have mass quantities of small animals that are PTS every year because there are no homes..... That is even with free spay clinics and such all over the place.

There is no way, even with laws, that people will stop breeding if they think their fugly horse is worth reproducing.
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Old 11-06-2009, 07:40 AM   #244
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tealamutt, in addition to "I don't want the government controlling my life", there's the "I don't want my tax dollars spent on trying to regulate breeding, which will in no way prevent back yard breeders from breeding their animals. The government spends too much already and you want to increase that by creating another department, division, whatever, hiring people to administer the program, more people to make trips to the various breeding facilities, purchase vehicles for them to make these trips in, etc. There has to be a better way that doesn't involve increasing government spending."
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tealamutt, in addition to "I don't want the government controlling my life", there's the "I don't want my tax dollars spent on trying to regulate breeding, which will in no way prevent back yard breeders from breeding their animals. The government spends too much already and you want to increase that by creating another department, division, whatever, hiring people to administer the program, more people to make trips to the various breeding facilities, purchase vehicles for them to make these trips in, etc. There has to be a better way that doesn't involve increasing government spending."

What Shortbusgeek said so well!
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Old 11-06-2009, 09:36 AM   #246
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Not only all rights and money and such that have already been stated.

My problem is that in the US there are SO many different breeds of horses and with in each breed there are many many different types. So who will decide. As a pro photographer I have shot many WB inspections over they years. You should see and hear what is and is not approved and the B/S in the back ground of what gets approved and what dose not. I have seen some nice ones not get approve b/c of who owned them and the other way around. Having talked to many with in these registries and trainers that are a bit more on the out side as they do not have a dog in the fight but train and show a lot of these horses they find that the inspections are more of a joke then anything. Now it might be different over in other countries but here.......
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What other countries do or don't do is immaterial. We're discussing the U.S.

Other countries have socialized medicine; we do not.

Other countries have marshall law; we do not.

Other countries require that their citizens have only one child each; we do not.

Other countries specifically breed horses for human consumption; we do not.

Other countries ban their citizens from owning firearms; we do not.

Our principles, values and laws are based on our ideals and the Bill of Rights. As U.S. citizens we have certain inalienable rights, and I for one won't give them up without a fight.

Thomas Jefferson wanted LESS government, not more. His idea was that states would govern themselves, and the federal government would basically keep their noses out of anything that had to do with the internal workings of the country.

The federal government was only supposed to be a loosely governing body, not have a deathgrip on overall policy. We've certainly come a very long way from Mr. Jefferson's ideal!

Americans have a different mindset than the rest of the world. We're used to having our freedom and doing as we please, as long as it doesn't harm others. Now, we have a bunch of bleeding hearts who want to take all that away from us 'for our own good'.

Anyone who will not fight for the rights of the individual, are doomed to lose their own.

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What other countries do or don't do is immaterial. We're discussing the U.S.

Other countries have socialized medicine; we do not.

Other countries have marshall law; we do not.

Other countries require that their citizens have only one child each; we do not.

Other countries specifically breed horses for human consumption; we do not.

Other countries ban their citizens from owning firearms; we do not.

Our principles, values and laws are based on our ideals and the Bill of Rights. As U.S. citizens we have certain inalienable rights, and I for one won't give them up without a fight.

Thomas Jefferson wanted LESS government, not more. His idea was that states would govern themselves, and the federal government would basically keep their noses out of anything that had to do with the internal workings of the country.

The federal government was only supposed to be a loosely governing body, not have a deathgrip on overall policy. We've certainly come a very long way from Mr. Jefferson's ideal!

Americans have a different mindset than the rest of the world. We're used to having our freedom and doing as we please, as long as it doesn't harm others. Now, we have a bunch of bleeding hearts who want to take all that away from us 'for our own good'.

Anyone who will not fight for the rights of the individual, are doomed to lose their own.
You are a wonderful woman. Your boyfriend should marry you today!!
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You are a wonderful woman. Your boyfriend should marry you today!!
Laugh! I'll let him know you said that.

Heck, not only do I believe in the right to bear arms, I own guns myself. My .38 was a gift from my BF. We tried out several different calibers, until I found the one that felt right in my hand.

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the government agreed and horse slaughter was banned from the US.
Horse slaughter was never banned from the US - it is not illegal to slaughter a horse in the US.
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