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post #21 of 378 Old 04-12-2009, 08:32 AM
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There's more value placed on the life of a human child than on an animal. Even if you think of the horse as your child, it's still an animal.
It's how society works, and you should realize that while, ideally, every little girl or boy has loving parents and that cute, fat little pinto pony in his or her backyard, this isn't an ideal world.

It's a painful subject, I completely understand why a lot of people are against it, but that's the reality of life. And wouldn't you honestly rather there be regulated slaughter so that the horses don't feel any pain at all or would you rather have them carted off to Mexico where they die in a particularly agonizing, painful death?

Think on it for a bit.

And if you really think slaughter is bad, do you have a suggestion on where those unwanted horses should go?
I personally agree with jemmamalone on this one -- to me, I don't think it's any more "right" to kill a healthy animal just because it has no home than it would be to do that to a human. And I'm sorry, but I don't have kids yet so my horse (and 2 dogs) ARE my "kids", I don't care what anybody says to me or how anyone else wants to judge me on that.

However, Xoras is right about one thing -- without REGULATED slaughter in the US, they're being carted off to Mexico or Canada and treated VERY poorly on the way there and once there - nothing humane about it. So while I do not support slaughtering just because it's hard to find homes for the horses, if it's going to happen anyway, I would rather it happen in the U.S. Under STRICT regulated laws and in a humane manner. Unfortunately, the last time these were legal in the U.S., there was nothing humane about most of them...so enforcing the laws would be the particularly hard part.

Sorry if anyone disagrees with me, it's kind of a sensitive subject for me, since my horse was a rescue...I'm SO glad no one decided to give up on her and send her off to slaughter - she's the most beautiful, loving mare I've ever met and SO willing to learn!! I'm glad she was given the second chance that many were not. I get really upset whenever I hear stories of horses being sent away to slaugher, esp. The ones who are young and had nothing wrong with them, just weren't wanted anymore or their owners weren't able to afford them. It's tough, I know people are practically GIVING horses away these days because they're too much money, but I believe that if you truly love someone or something, you'll find a way to take care of them or find a way to find a good home for them. I would personally never send my horse to slaughter.

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post #22 of 378 Old 04-12-2009, 09:07 AM
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Montana is very close to reopening their slaughter houses. Montana horse slaughter bill passes after impassioned debate, awaits governor's signature | Markets | Market News | Canadian Business Online

Although there is such headed debate over the subject, it is a fact of life and perhaps having one under scrutiny in the US will make it more humane.

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Not to rain on your opinion but the two issues are not comparable. People are not a possession- horses are. By being a possession they fall into one of two catagories a need or a want. Horses are most definitely a want, a very, very large and costly one and thereby become a luxury.
Not to rain on YOUR opinion, but horses are a need as well. 20% of my states population is Amish, they need horses to survive, to take care of their crops, and for transportation. So in some cases, horses are also needs.

In my opinion, children are a great example. Children are not "Needs" either. You don't need children. You also don't need to have them. We have an extremely large overpopulation of people as well as horses. So what do we do? STOP BREEDING THEM.
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ALSO. People seem to disregard the care of animals because they cannot speak. They still feel pain. They still feel lonliness. And they are absolutely no different than humans.
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I would rather horses have a quick get-it-over death at a slaughter house than literally starve to death somewhere. When they go to slaughter their lives end quickly instead of slow and miserable. Slow and miserable is the worst way that anything could die, so slaughter is helpful in the prevention of starving and neglected horses. Also, cows go to slaughter for the food we eat. I have no problem with that, but everyone puts the focus on the horses. Cows are animals too, people have their show cows and stuff too. Anyway... slaughter has been around forever and it is helpful in the prevention of neglected horses. If people have a problem with slaughter, then they need to stop buying purebred horses and go adopt one or rescue one.
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Sorry Jumpwhat but I put people up a lot higher than animals. Sure animals have feelings but I have a lot more. Want to know something about your Amish? Those horses are tools for the Amish and believe me a lot of the horses you see going to slaughter come out of the Amish community. The Amish for sure view their horses as a possession. I would suggest reading Jonathan Swift's "A Modest Proposal", it might put things into perspective for you. I just don't think people and animals are comprabable at all.

I agree that overbreeding is the root of the problem but sadly there are always going to be people that will breed whatever they want. So be it but there has to be a place for those unwanted horses to go. I'd rather see a horse go to a slaughter house than starve in a field.
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Not to rain on YOUR opinion, but horses are a need as well. 20% of my states population is Amish, they need horses to survive, to take care of their crops, and for transportation. So in some cases, horses are also needs.

In my opinion, children are a great example. Children are not "Needs" either. You don't need children. You also don't need to have them. We have an extremely large overpopulation of people as well as horses. So what do we do? STOP BREEDING THEM.
Actually, When you have children they do in fact become a NEED. If you cannot afford a horse, you can always sell it. I don't know about you, but I somehow see a problem trying to sell my child, not to mention the fact that it is illegal.

I do agree that the horse population is quite crowded, and that putting a stop on some breeding operations would be a good option....In theory. You are always going to have people who over-breed, people who hoard, and people who do not have the resources to euthanize by means of a vet.

At the end of the day in our economy, cash is king. The reality of the situation is that not everyone is going to view their horses as pets or family members. They are going to be viewed as livestock and profit, you are always going to have the people who would rather have cash/check in hand, vs. paying to have a horse euthanized, paying a vet call and paying to have a rendering service come, or finding a way to dispose of the body themselves.
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Actually the number of horses has nothing to do with how many get slaughtered demand for the meat and profit margin does same as any species of livestock. If the number of animals dictatred how many we slaughtered then we'd be slaughtering them at record numbers. Fact is we have over 9 million horses and slaughter less then 1%. When we had 6 million we slaughtered 5%.

And the fact is many horses have always gone to Can. For slaughter its much closer to Can. From the northern states then to Tx. We've hauled horses from here in Mn. To Can. For many many years its only a few hours to get there why haul all the way to Tx.?
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No way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > *VERY ANGRY!*
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Except, y'know, there are too many horses and not enough little girls to make happy.

And I see horse slaughter as a necessary evil. Without it, we'd have a huge overpopulation of horses and few people to take them. That would probably cause a shortage of feed, of course, to feed all the overpopulated horses. The shortage would drive up the prices of feed, and at some point people wouldn't be able to afford it, and their horses would starve to death or be put down, most likely.

See? Necessary evil. If they're going to allow slaughter again, I most definitely think it should be regulated with strict laws.
Well the put em down.
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