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post #361 of 378 Old 04-02-2010, 10:00 AM
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Speeddafish: I know my rant was a little harsh but I'm doing a school project on it and saw some horrible videos and I kinda vented a little bit. I apologize to everyone!

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post #362 of 378 Old 04-03-2010, 11:27 AM
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What bothers me the most about this issue is that people say they can't afford to have their horse put down.

Well, I will say that it costs less to euthanize a horse than it does to feed it for a month or 2.

When I had my last horse put to sleep, it was a 2000 lb horse, and cost me 180$. I rented a digger for 125$ and buried him in the field.

His medication, feed, farrier etc cost more than that for a month of care.

He was my best friend. Would I sell my best friend to a slaughterhouse? Never. His euthanasia was painless and quick. The hardest part was he didn't lay down with the sedation shot and when his heart stopped he crashed to the ground. Seeing him fall like that was hard, but he was dead on his feet literally. It was very fast and he gave NO indication he was hurting at all.

When I am faced with the decision again, I WILL opt to euthanize and bury.

And sorry, everything else- is an excuse.
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post #363 of 378 Old 04-03-2010, 11:41 AM
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What bothers me the most about this issue is that people say they can't afford to have their horse put down.

Well, I will say that it costs less to euthanize a horse than it does to feed it for a month or 2.

When I had my last horse put to sleep, it was a 2000 lb horse, and cost me 180$. I rented a digger for 125$ and buried him in the field.

His medication, feed, farrier etc cost more than that for a month of care.

He was my best friend. Would I sell my best friend to a slaughterhouse? Never. His euthanasia was painless and quick. The hardest part was he didn't lay down with the sedation shot and when his heart stopped he crashed to the ground. Seeing him fall like that was hard, but he was dead on his feet literally. It was very fast and he gave NO indication he was hurting at all.

When I am faced with the decision again, I WILL opt to euthanize and bury.

And sorry, everything else- is an excuse.
No one's saying that they can't afford it. I said in my last post that I would never, ever, ever send my pony to a slaughter house. Ever. But do you think that it's really realistic to think that people are going to go around euthanizing every single unwanted/sick horse out there? It really is not. It's not possible.

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post #364 of 378 Old 04-03-2010, 12:21 PM
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Draftrider - What if someone doesn't have that money? It isn't always an "excuse". It only costs me about $100 per month to care for my horse (about half that in the summer). That $400 euthansia expense is at least 4 MONTHS of my horse expenses. You need to remember that everyone has different expenses associated with their horses care. There are members on here who spend $1000 a month on horse care and those that spend under $100. And to some people $400 is a lot of money.

Now I would NEVER send either of MY horses to auction or the slaughterhouse. Nor would I force someone else to do so. But who am I to tell someone else what they can or cannot do with their horse? As long as they aren't abusing it, it's their business. And if the auction/kill buyer is the best means within their reach to get rid of a horse they cannot feed? I feel for the horse (cuz I'm a big softie), but death is a part of life.

It is important in my opinion to continue to make the process better for all animals that are slaughtered. I think there's always room for improvement, but there are plenty of animals that have it a LOT worse than a horse going to a slaughter yard.
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post #365 of 378 Old 04-03-2010, 12:35 PM
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Ideally I would take my own animal to the slaughter house and lead him to the knocking box, pat him on the neck and make sure that he was killed quickly. After he's dead I could care less what happens to the body. I would just as soopn have it used for human consumption or even animal food as have it rot in the ground. Since I cannot take my own horse to the kill plant I will have to trust in the safegaurds that are put in place to make sure that the animal is calm and handled humanely. The reason I would not send a horse to slaughter at teh present time is the distance that they have to travel to the kill plant. If there were plants closer then I would have no problem with sending a horse that I had ridden and cared for. There could in theory be processing plants just over the border in Canada that would be closer than the plants in Texas and Illinois would have been so when the time comes I will have to do some research and decide if the horsee can comfortably endure that. I believe that the horses are transported in a manner that is as comfortable as economically possible but if a horse was unsound I might hesitate shipping it 20 hours to a plant or feedlot.

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post #366 of 378 Old 04-03-2010, 02:56 PM
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I couldn't send my old girl even if that was the case. Honestly I think it would be too traumatic for her to be taken off property and brought to a slaughterhouse. But this is a 30 yr old horse that hasn't been off property in like 10 years or so (beyond the occiasional trailride from the house). I'd be worried about any trailer ride for her at this point due to her balance and arthritis issues. But again that's my specific case/horse and doesn't have anything to do with your decision.

When we put my gelding down, my dad shot him and we had the renderer come and pick him up. As far as I know his body was used. But really even if we had buried him, his body would've (eventually) been used by the plants/bugs/etc in the soil. But I don't think that's really the point or at least it isn't for me.

For me it's the whole "personal freedom/choice" aspect. I don't like a bunch of strangers telling me what I can or cannot do with my animals. As long as I'm not abusing them (starving or physical) it's my choice. Personally I'm a big baby and I treat my animals like a part of my family w/ concessions to the needs of their particular species. But others are not like that and that's just fine.
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post #367 of 378 Old 04-03-2010, 06:00 PM
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The thing here is that we're talking about things on a much larger scale. I think most of us on here would agree that we would never send our own horses to a slaughterhouse. This is about controlling to horse population, for a lack of a better term. There are so many horses out there that are sick or unable to be rehabilitated, or whatever the case may be. Is it really possible to go around to all these different horses and euthanize them one by one? I don't think it is.

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post #368 of 378 Old 04-03-2010, 06:22 PM
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I agree with you. There definitely is a cost issue too. Whose going to pay to have all these horses euthanized? And what should be done with the bodies? In most areas you can't bury a horse that has been chemically euthanized (at least to my knowledge).

Rescues are already overfull. Unfortunately there are a lot of horses out there that are unfit to be ridden. How many pasture pets can people support? How many mustangs are sitting in holding pens under the BLM's management? Should we just set them all free (mustangs, sick, old, mentally ill) and let nature take it's course? That seems a lot crueler in most cases.

I'd like to know how many unusuable horses the average anti crowd person is willing to take in and pay for. I've already got one and can't afford to keep any more. Sure if the world was perfect every horse would have a wonderful home with a loving little girl whose always wanted a pony. And she'd never grow out of horses, or in the case of the show world would never grow higher in skill level than that first horse could take her. Until it died a natural death of course and probably after being unrideable for years at that point. But hey that's the price of buying a horse in the first place right? :roll:

One thing I do agree with the anti's on is that when you buy a horse YOU are responsible for deciding what happens to it. If it's no longer rideable or if it's completely nuts YOU need to decide what's going to happen. Either find a good home, put to sleep, or send to slaughter. DON'T pawn it off on someone else, like a rescue.
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post #369 of 378 Old 04-04-2010, 04:42 AM
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A bullet is a much better way of going than chemical for a horse. Alot of the drug has to be used for such a big animal and it can often be a long death :s

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post #370 of 378 Old 04-04-2010, 10:12 AM
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Very true, esp if you shoot the right way. I've heard some nasty stories from the vets about euthanising horses... I have a friend who had a really terrible experience, ever since then she's shot anything that needs to be put down.
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