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        04-20-2009, 12:20 AM
      #31
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by bilyeuamber    
    I would rather horses have a quick get-it-over death at a slaughter house than literally starve to death somewhere. When they go to slaughter their lives end quickly instead of slow and miserable. Slow and miserable is the worst way that anything could die, so slaughter is helpful in the prevention of starving and neglected horses. Also, cows go to slaughter for the food we eat. I have no problem with that, but everyone puts the focus on the horses. Cows are animals too, people have their show cows and stuff too. Anyway... slaughter has been around forever and it is helpful in the prevention of neglected horses. If people have a problem with slaughter, then they need to stop buying purebred horses and go adopt one or rescue one.
    Its not painless look at my other post.
         
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        04-20-2009, 01:21 PM
      #32
    Yearling
    I think slaughter plants should be reopened, but more strictly regulated than they were. The only way I can think of diminishing the need is to stop breeding all together -- not just the 'backyard breeders', but the 'responsible' ones, too. Because even the people breeding top-quality horses are pumping out piles of foals, and even they have the chance of breeding undesirable horses, or even horses that they just can't sell for whatever reason. In a perfect world, every horse that hits the ground is automatically of good enough temperament and conformation to, at the very least, be some little girl's dream pony, some farmer's work horse, or some family's expensive yard decoration. But the fact of the matter is, not every horse is suited to be ridden, or was just born in the wrong place and put up for sale for more than that little girl or that farmer can afford. And the breeder certainly can't just keep every horse that they can't sell, and rescue centers can't hold on to every horse that stumbles through their gates.
    In my area, there are several stories going around. I won't vouch for their accuracy, but they're real possibilities. One that I know is true, because I saw it with my own eyes, is of a local breeder -- He breeds Paints, high-quality, high-dollar, real nice horses, at least for around these parts. He hauled seven of his horses -- nothing wrong with them, mind you, he just couldn't sell them -- to an auction house and didn't sell a single one. Out in the parking lot, he refused to load them in his own trailer -- I flat out told everyone that if they wanted one, they could take it home, and whatever horses don't leave the lot, he was going to haul them up to Canada and drop them off at the slaughter houses. Only two of those horses walked off the lot in someone else's hands, and one of them came back the very next auction.
    Another one my uncle tells: A friend of his was at a riding trail and he left his trailer parked in the lot. When he came back, there were two horses in his trailer and no one else around. He called the DNR to get rid of them, and they refused to take them. This guy had to call for a second trailer, because there wasn't room to put his own horses in his own trailer. My uncle got one of those horses, and I don't know what happened to the other, but the one he got is probably one of the craziest S.O.B.'s I've ever seen, and he had to have it put down because, after four trainers and three years of work, it still couldn't be so much as haltered, and had actually given me a slight concussion.
    Other stories floating around -- I'm sure some of you have heard variants -- include horses being left behind in a move, or let loose on the road, dropped off in people's pastures, etc., etc.
    Now, would you rather these horses slowly starve or be attacked by wild animals, or be shot at by non-horse-friendly people who want them off their property, or other equally painful deaths because they were abandoned, or suffer a quick death at the hands of a regulated slaughterhouse?
    Everyone says that slaughtered horses could be some little girl's dream, but not every little girl can afford a horse, and not every little girl is suited to have one. There's also the fact that, not every little girl is going to grow up into a horse-loving woman or teenager. It's like puppies and Easter bunnies -- the novel of owning a pony wears off, no one wants to take care of it after awhile, and it either gets sold, or is left neglected. I work at the only tack shop in town, and I've seen all sorts of parents come in lately, with good intentions, I'm sure, telling us "We just bought a horse for our little Jane. What do we need?" So many of them are entirely unprepared for the responsibility. So many families that previously wanted to buy a horse for their kids but couldn't afford the initial buying fee are now running out and snatching up a matching pair of pinto-ponies for a total of $50, and not thinking about what it costs to raise those horses.

    If this were a perfect world where every horse got the care it needed, and everyone had enough money to properly raise their families and their horses together, I'd be against slaughter all the way; But, in a perfect world like that, there would still be slaughter -- there would still be that market for meat, just like there is for beef and pork and chicken.
         
        04-24-2009, 02:01 PM
      #33
    Foal
    Slaughter plants definitely need to be opend with out them we would have wild horses running around dieing on people land roting and dieing away hidden in cramped stalls. And the list goes im.

    Personaly human life goes up and beyond any animal. No offence but Humans have way more right to live then animals do. If I Had to die or my horse id definitely pic my horse once again no effence I just can't stand when some people put horses on the same level as humans. Yes they should be treated with respect and fed properly but humans have more rights ect.
         
        04-24-2009, 07:57 PM
      #34
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by jessetjames    
    Slaughter plants definitely need to be opend with out them we would have wild horses running around dieing on people land roting and dieing away hidden in cramped stalls. And the list goes im.

    Personaly human life goes up and beyond any animal. No offence but Humans have way more right to live then animals do. If I Had to die or my horse id definitely pic my horse once again no effence I just can't stand when some people put horses on the same level as humans. Yes they should be treated with respect and fed properly but humans have more rights ect.
    So to be clear your ok with horses being shocked till they can't stand hung upside down and have their throats slit?
         
        04-25-2009, 12:26 AM
      #35
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Trissacar    
    So to be clear your ok with horses being shocked till they can't stand hung upside down and have their throats slit?
    its better then having them rome the country or sitting in an un cared for stall starving to death. Slaughter is better for the animal then starving or being malnourished/treated and the list goes on.
         
        04-25-2009, 12:39 AM
      #36
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jessetjames    
    its better then having them rome the country or sitting in an un cared for stall starving to death. Slaughter is better for the animal then starving or being malnourished/treated and the list goes on.
    So death is better then a cruddy life? If you asked them what do you think they would say.
         
        04-25-2009, 04:25 AM
      #37
    Yearling
    This is a debate that's gone on for decades... and everyone will always have different opinions on the subject. I help rescue horses here in NZ, and despite not being of a rich background I try really hard to help the lives of perfectly sound horses escape the bullet.
    However, I completely agree it's a neccessary evil. I've been to the slaughter yard over here, and I've seen a dead, decaying cut up horse. I saw the paddock with the horses who were next on the chopping block. And I saw how young some were, and the old, and the barely functional. It opened my eyes up to a world I thought of as evil... I still don't agree with some things. I believe it ought to be quick and painless. But so is having the vet give them an injection too. There have been studies (why oh why can I not find the article lol) where euthanising a horse is traumatic. It makes the heart rate increase, and the horse can panic, and suffer from the ordeal, unlike cats and dogs, where it slows the heart rate down. My friend had her gelding put down, and had him injected with a couple of other things just to make him so dopey that he wouldn't feel the suffering so much. I prefer the bullet, even if it makes me sick thinking about it.
    Does this make me love horses less? Or sound like a neglectful person? Well I guess to some, they'll find my opinion inconceivable. But I know that if my horse was to die (from serious injury) and I couldn't afford cremate, or bury etc, I would send off to the slaughter. I know the local man who does it, and he is a very kind person, if he sees a horse who shouldn't really be in his paddocks, he holds out, and tries to find it a new home.
    But I agree with others... cows, pigs and chickens suffer death for us to eat too... but you never hear about their injustice. I love horses more than most animals, and thinking of their death is incredibly hard. I try my best to save, but unfortunately not everyone has the money to take on unwanted horses and they end up in bad places. If adoption prices were lowered, then we'd have more people with lack of knowledge taking on horses and then neglecting them... there's a downside to every solution, so we're d*mned if we do and we're d*amned if we don't.
    Just my opinion, and I respect all the others that have been said also... for both sides of the argument.
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        04-25-2009, 02:57 PM
      #38
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Trissacar    
    So death is better then a cruddy life? If you asked them what do you think they would say.
    so you would rather but stuck in a small prison cell that was never cleaned and you never got food and you never left it. Rather the dieing??

    I totally agree with you ohmyitschelle
         
        04-25-2009, 04:17 PM
      #39
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jessetjames    
    so you would rather but stuck in a small prison cell that was never cleaned and you never got food and you never left it. Rather the dieing??

    I totally agree with you ohmyitschelle
    I think they would rather live a cruddy life then no life at all. So between life and death I think I would rather live in poverty then not live at all.
    Theres no reason why they should be killed this way. They could have them put down if necessary. You might say "well these people can't afford it." Well they shouldn't have gotten the horse in the first place. As long as they are getting paid for their irresponsibility we are encouraging the disease. They need to be held accountable for their actions. There are much bigger issues concerning this. Also they crimes that are committed and associated with horse slaughter raisese this issue even higher.
         
        04-25-2009, 08:37 PM
      #40
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Trissacar    
    You might say "well these people can't afford it." Well they shouldn't have gotten the horse in the first place.
    Thats not a realistic statement. If it was then only people rich enough to never run out of money should own a horse. As much as you would like to think, things don't always work out. I don't see anything wrong with REGULATED horse slaughter. Of course they shouldn't be killed terribly, but neither should any other animal. Bolt to the head is how they do it with most cows, then they are hung to drain the blood before it can ruin the meat. By closing the US slaughter plants we've only made horses suffer worse. Anyways, this really is a pointless argument. Most people seem to have their minds made up and aren't going to even bother to listen to other's viewpoints.
         

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