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    04-25-2009, 10:08 PM
Originally Posted by Trissacar    
You might say "well these people can't afford it." Well they shouldn't have gotten the horse in the first place.

I see the point you're making, but financial situations DO change. In the current situation of recession, there are so many horses up on the market because people cannot afford to own them anymore... what happens when their horse is overlooked, months on the market, they put it up for free, and someone else snaps it up, just to have no knowledge, but thinking "wahey a horse!" and it ends up being sent to slaughter because the novelty wore off and they wanted to make some cash. Believe me, this IS happening. Every little girl wanted their own pony as kids, and some get the opportunity by buying a cheap horse... and then knowing nothing about how to care for it. Over here our rescue organisations like the SPCA, MAF, ILPH struggle with the amount of cases they get and some of them cannot help because there is no room for any more animals on the property. It doesn't just happen with horses, people are trying to "live the dream", buy a lifestyle block, and get a calf, lamb and a few goats, maybe horses too. But when the novelty wears off these horses can be left to dehydrate, starve in paddocks overrun with manure and suffer conditions far worse. I'd rather not live in poverty if it were me. But that's just me. I know people are responsible for their animals, but there are some decent people in desperate situations today. If they cannot find homes for these animals, and it gets to the point where they for go food for themselves, then I can see how horses end up in positions we really don't wish for them. It's not ideal... but its happening to all animals, until people stop overbreeding, then the overpopulation will continue. Not everyone is so fortunate. Besides, if it was left to those who had unlimited finances to save all these horses, I bet you anything we'd have more of a problem. The racing industry itself is a main cause to so many horses ending up in slaughter. But that industry itself brings in a lot of money. It's a hard world. I don't like it, don't get me wrong, my heart swells when I hear about the cruelty, but my head understands why we have to have these types of places. I don't agree how its done... hopefully one day they'll change how it's done but for now my opinion still stands, it's a neccessary evil.
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    04-25-2009, 10:56 PM
How should it be done? Horses are slaughtered same way cattle are shot with a captive bolt, jugler cut to bleed them out, hung up by the back legs to be skinned and gutted. Pretty basic system that's been used a long time. Personally I don't see horse slaughter as a necessary evil any more then any other species. People eat meat so its necessary there is no evil to it unless you don't eat meat then I could see why one might think so.

BTW racing isn't the main cause for horse slaughter people wanting the meat is. Racing doesn't even supply the most horses the private backyard owner does. But truth be told any horse has a very low chance at being slaughtered we don't even use 1% of the total number for that purpose.
    04-25-2009, 11:06 PM
County- I'm assuming she is talking about those videos from some Mexican slaughter plant? I know in the states its done like you say. We toured a slaughter plant for my school and they went through everything and as a meat eater it wasn't bad. Personally I feel better hunting but I eat meat so I don't have a problem with killing animals just as long as it is humane.
    04-25-2009, 11:10 PM
If you say you love horses, think about it this way. Very simple. Closing regulated U.S. Slaughter houses has caused great suffering for many horses.
A rescue person I know, who's whole life is rescuing horses from slaughter plants, has said the same thing. It was a simple minded "feel good" solution for some people with no thought to the suffering they would actually cause horses.
    04-25-2009, 11:11 PM
Those videos from Mex. Are some of the mom and pop type places that have slaughtered with a certain type knife for ever. The horses from the U.S. Go to the brand new Beltex plant that was built and opened just before the state of Tx. Banned horse slaughter. All the horses killed there go out of country same as when Beltex was in this country and everything has to meet EU Standards same as when they were here. Don't judge horse slaughter by the videos of private Mex. Systems. Two totally different things.
    04-25-2009, 11:13 PM
People can love horses and be against slaughter same as people can love horses and be for slaughter. One has nothing to do with the other.
    04-26-2009, 02:21 AM
Originally Posted by county    
People can love horses and be against slaughter same as people can love horses and be for slaughter. One has nothing to do with the other.
I agree 100%
    04-26-2009, 02:32 AM
Originally Posted by county    
BTW racing isn't the main cause for horse slaughter people wanting the meat is. Racing doesn't even supply the most horses the private backyard owner does. But truth be told any horse has a very low chance at being slaughtered we don't even use 1% of the total number for that purpose.

Over here, racing IS one of the reasons why horses go for slaughter. Here in the city I live is one of the biggest standardbred racing scenes in NZ. Because of this, we have an overpopulation of the breed. They are bred for the track, but we know statitically, most of these horses break down/aren't fast enough/refuse to work in the conditions etc... and there is a surplus of these horses being "sold or given away as hacks"... as a Standardbred horse owner myself, I've helped many of these horses in their transfer to riding. However, because they keep breeding for the track and the majority end up being chucked out the back door when their "use" is up, most of these horses are to be dog meat. When I visited the slaughter yard, there were many youngsters with one of the local SB stud farm's halters on their faces... and the majority were of this particular breed, only two being TB and a crossbred. So I do have to say that because a lot of the horses here in NZ are bred for racing, a lot end up going to the slaughter yard due to no one wanting to take them on.
No, I don't need to watch the videos, I've seen them before. I know what is entailed, and I accept what they have to do to get the job done. It costs money to put a bullet in their head, or inject them humanely, its why these places work on getting the job done quick and cost effectively. I've read "The Jungle" a book that one of the US Presidents read ... think it was Roosevelt.. describing the step by step process of killing cattle and pigs... it wasn't pretty, but I get why they have to do it this way. If they found a way to do it better, then sure I'm all for it... please excuse how I put my last comment, I meant to those who are so against it, its not nice, but it has to be done that way. My apologies for the confusion.
    04-26-2009, 03:07 AM
I think they should only kill the seriously poorly 1s, I would recommend to them to maybe think about selling horses instead, that way they would properly make lots more money?
    04-26-2009, 09:19 AM
In this country some race horses go to slaughter also but its illegal to use them in dog food. The people that eat horse meat are no different then those that eat any species of animal they don't want crippled, skinny, poorly conditioned animals for their meat supply they want young fat ones. How many people do you know that want a beef steak from an old crippled cow?

Not sure what you mean by telling them to sell horses to make money that's exactly what their doing when they send horses to slaughter.

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