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  • What shows legal ownership of an unregistered horse?
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    05-24-2012, 04:15 PM
  #11
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Originally Posted by mselizabeth    
He has vet bills, but it does not describe the horse. Just states the horses name.

I don't know why he didn't file one. I suppose because he lives out in the country, where the police are not very involved.
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Not very involved? Our county sheriff department is better than most city law enforcement.
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    05-24-2012, 04:30 PM
  #12
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Even if they aren't "very involved" with country affairs a call would have at least documented tha he had a missing horse at the time and what it looked like. I just can't imagine anyone having a horse just go missing and not report it to the authorities. That just baffles me.

As to vet papers - did he not have coggins on the horse done ever? That should at least describe the horse enough to be a start.

For future identification of his horses - a good set of pictures, microchip, lip tatoo or he can freezebrand as long as he gets the brand registered with the state. We are looking at the posibility of getting horse horses freezebranded in the future.
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    05-24-2012, 04:47 PM
  #13
Showing
Well, your friend learned a valuable lesson. If he had gone to the police and filed a report the instant that he noticed the horse was gone, with a full description (or, even better, pictures), then his horse would have already been home.

There are several ways to have proof of ownership on an unregistered horse:

1) Have them branded and then get the paperwork from a brand inspector.

2) Have them micro-chipped. In rural areas, that would usually only be effective in situations like this where the horse has been found and by some slim chance, someone checks for a chip. I know in my area, nobody microchips horses so no vet or auction house would ever check for one.

3) Even a coggins report can serve as proof of ownership.


However, with the horse being found in the possession of a person who was not the thief, then it all gets very touchy, even if the original owner has some form of proof of ownership. You might be surprised at how many people will sell a horse and then come back later with a claim that it was stolen as an attempt to either get the horse back or get monetary compensation.

Without a police report filed at the time of the theft and with absolutely zero proof of ownership, then there is no chance at all of your friend getting his horse back.
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    05-24-2012, 11:07 PM
  #14
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Originally Posted by gigem88    
Yes! The vet would be the one to do it. Thought about doing to my son since he'd go with anybody when he was younger lol!
Haha! I've never heard of doing it to horses before. Though I suppose it's a good idea. Where is it placed on your horses? I will mention this to him.
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    05-24-2012, 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by smrobs    
Well, your friend learned a valuable lesson. If he had gone to the police and filed a report the instant that he noticed the horse was gone, with a full description (or, even better, pictures), then his horse would have already been home.

There are several ways to have proof of ownership on an unregistered horse:

1) Have them branded and then get the paperwork from a brand inspector.

2) Have them micro-chipped. In rural areas, that would usually only be effective in situations like this where the horse has been found and by some slim chance, someone checks for a chip. I know in my area, nobody microchips horses so no vet or auction house would ever check for one.

3) Even a coggins report can serve as proof of ownership.


However, with the horse being found in the possession of a person who was not the thief, then it all gets very touchy, even if the original owner has some form of proof of ownership. You might be surprised at how many people will sell a horse and then come back later with a claim that it was stolen as an attempt to either get the horse back or get monetary compensation.

Without a police report filed at the time of the theft and with absolutely zero proof of ownership, then there is no chance at all of your friend getting his horse back.
He does not have coggins as the horse was born and raised entirely on his property. Never really left.

I think he has accepted the fact he will not get his horse back. I'm sure he's kicking himself though. And hopefully won't make the same mistake again.
The horse however is in very good condition and appears to be taken pretty good care of where he's at.

A lesson learned though.
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    05-24-2012, 11:23 PM
  #16
Weanling
What about coggins papers? Any?
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    05-25-2012, 04:29 AM
  #17
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Originally Posted by mselizabeth    
Haha! I've never heard of doing it to horses before. Though I suppose it's a good idea. Where is it placed on your horses? I will mention this to him.
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It is inserted in the long ligament that runs down the back of the neck with a hypodermic needle.
     
    05-25-2012, 01:20 PM
  #18
Started
Also, call the local brand inspector. Not sure what state you live in, but in Wyoming, Utah, Idaho, etc your brand inspection is considered a proof of ownership.. When we sell a horse, we have to sign off the brand inspection... No, they do not have to have a brand, just the inspector comes out and details the horse on paper, shows any scars, etc.
It is a valid proof of owneship in most states these days.
     
    05-26-2012, 11:10 AM
  #19
Showing
You can also have the horse freeze branded in a place that's quite visible.
     
    05-26-2012, 11:21 AM
  #20
Started
It is law to have a passport fo ryour horses here. It costs us €25 to get one, and it's very simple and easy to do. As for microchipping, all of our TBs are chipped. We have to chip American breds when they arrive here, and it takes all of 2 seconds to do.

Surely your friend has photographic evidence somewhere of this horse being on his property? Can the vet not stand up and say that he has treated the horse before, and a blacksmith say the same?

Anyway, as other people have said, it's amazing he didn't file a police report. If somebody stole either of my boys I'd be on the phone to every gardai station in the country and posting it on every webpage imaginable until I got them back. Not only that, but a missing or strayed horse runs the risk of being hit by cars/injuring themselves or somebody else.
     

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