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    05-18-2010, 10:15 AM
  #1
Green Broke
Unhappy Purchased horse, APHA registry issues, not sure what to do

So I finally got Cinny's papers from his owner and it's all a done deal. I'm very happy with him as he is progressing quickly. However....

His papers are, I guess you would say old. Basically what I gather has happend was when the person I bought him from, (We will call her L), when L bought him as a foal back in 2003 his breeder merely signed the back of his registration paper and gave it to her even though it indicates that the new owner needs to be filled out, etc etc. and penalties could occur.

Then L never registered Cinny in her name, just held on to this certificate. When she sold Cinny to me, she obviously just sent me the certificate that shows the breeder selling it. The date of gelding isn't even filled out, completely blank except for the signature of the breeder selling it and the date 2003.

I'm not sure what I need to do. Any time I ask the seller for anything such as copies of shot records or the coggins test she comes back at me with "why do you need THAT?" so it's a big pain in the neck. According to the APHA, from what I see it saying, and I could be interpreting it wrong, that if the registries skip an owner then I have to send affidavits to all the owners and pay all their registrations to in order to bring it up to date before I can do it. Does anybody know if this is right?

Does anyone have any advice on how to proceed from here??
     
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    05-18-2010, 10:31 AM
  #2
Weanling
As far as I know, L will have to have him transferred into her name, then transfer him to you. Wait... Does it have her name on it at all? Or just the original owner's name?
     
    05-18-2010, 10:35 AM
  #3
Yearling
Contact his breeder. I had the same situation with Danny. I found his breeder, explained the situation (after giving a complete update on how wonderful he is with pics), and asked if she would help me with his papers since she was still the registered owner. We did a new transfer record to me. It would have been completely impossible to track down four previous owners and have their registrations completed.
     
    05-18-2010, 10:35 AM
  #4
Showing
Cinny, if he was never registered to her, why not just cut out all the hassle and have him registered in your name without referring to her as a previous owner?

The registry won't know he was owned by someone else unless you tell them.

If he's still shown as a stallion on his original registration and he's now a gelding, just put down the date you think he was gelded.

Really, it's not that big of a deal. If he was a breeding animal then yes, it might be a problem, but he's a gelding.

His coggins is useless to you, because once you took possession of him you should have had a new coggins pulled in your name.

The shot records are only useful in determining what shots he might need in the coming months, and if his previous owner tells you what he had done and on what dates, you're covered.
     
    05-18-2010, 12:44 PM
  #5
Started
I agree with the past posts, been there done that.If L's name is not on the registration certificate, then just fill in the blanks and send it in. If her name is on the certificate, then contact the breeder and ask them to fill out a new one, explain that L is not very cooperative and won't help you register him.
You might have to pay a fee for late registration, unless the breeder will give you a new certificate and put a current date on it.
Good luck.
     
    05-18-2010, 03:11 PM
  #6
Green Broke
The only thing on the certificate is the breeder's signature and a 2003 date of sale. I do know in their rulebook there can be fines and the such if they find out that there was an in between owner, so I'm really on the fence.
     
    05-18-2010, 03:16 PM
  #7
Showing
Cinny, if you're that concerned, then contact the breeder. Maybe he'd be willing to re-sign a registration copy with a more current date.

If he's a reasonable guy, I don't see why that would be a problem. As long as you offer to pay for the copy, so he's not out any funds.

The papers will be sent to the registered owner though, which means the breeder. If you feel you can trust him to re-sign and then send them to you, then you don't have to worry about even listing the horse's previous owner.
     
    05-18-2010, 04:07 PM
  #8
Green Broke
I found his original breeder online, they actually have a boarding stable about half an hour from here so I plan on contacting them. Let ya know what happens.
     
    05-18-2010, 11:40 PM
  #9
Trained
I had something very similiar to this happen with me, and while it was a massive pain in the arse (because I had a heck of a time tracking down the mares breeder) it did get all done in the end.
What you will need is a bill of sale, more than likely, from the breeder to yourself.
APHA, I believe they are like the Arabians, penalize for registration fees when it comes to age. So although the date is 2003 (hence why I think you'll need a bill of sale), it is his age that they are going to penalize you for, just as they would if he were being reg'd by his breeder at, say, 18months of age.
If you explain the situation to the breeder's they should be willing to give you a basic bill of sale just to straighten out his papers.
     
    05-19-2010, 09:56 AM
  #10
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by WSArabians    
I had something very similiar to this happen with me, and while it was a massive pain in the arse (because I had a heck of a time tracking down the mares breeder) it did get all done in the end.
What you will need is a bill of sale, more than likely, from the breeder to yourself.
APHA, I believe they are like the Arabians, penalize for registration fees when it comes to age. So although the date is 2003 (hence why I think you'll need a bill of sale), it is his age that they are going to penalize you for, just as they would if he were being reg'd by his breeder at, say, 18months of age.
If you explain the situation to the breeder's they should be willing to give you a basic bill of sale just to straighten out his papers.
When I read the rulebook for APHA I thought it said age only matters if he is NOT registered at all yet, which his is. Just the last owner never transferred him to her through the registry.
     

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