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    09-22-2012, 11:23 PM
  #11
Foal
To be honest, since the horse ownder didnt care enough to send money, id find a family friend with a farm and stash the horse there. Since there was no legal docs written up, your sister could say she has no idea what the ownder is talking about lol....oh BTW, im only saying this because of the crappy owner.
     
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    09-23-2012, 02:50 AM
  #12
Yearling
One thing that nobody mentioned is the potential of legal abandonment of property.

I live in BC, Canada, so the laws here could be very different, but basically, if an animal is abandonned with someone (say a boarding facility), and the bills aren't paid for 3 months, the person the money is owed to has ownership of the animal.

That might be something worth checking in to to see what the laws are in your neck of the woods.
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    09-23-2012, 07:24 AM
  #13
Foal
We had something similar happen, just not with a horse, but with a cow. Our neighbors bought a little heifer (about 10 years ago) and didn't have any place to put her, so they asked if they could put her in our pasture with our cows and they would pay any expenses. Well, some time later, the little heifer got real sick and the owners had no interest in paying vet bills, so they said that we could have her if we took care of the bills. Now, jump to last summer. We had her bred and she had a gorgeous calf, but could not nurse, so I started bottle feeding. For some reason, the neighbors wife wanted to bottle feed the calf, but my kids wanted to do it. So, she started telling everyone that the calf, cow and another of her babies from three years ago were theirs, not ours and that they wanted them back. So, I wrote up an itemized list of expenses and presented it to her. I didn't ask her to pay, but just told her that THIS is what she owed. And, I said that I was feeling generous and didn't add the vet bills that started this whole thing. Of course, the cost was outrageous. And, the husband told her that they were not going to pay that just so that she could have a little calf to bottle feed! We haven't heard anything else since.
     
    09-23-2012, 10:00 AM
  #14
Showing
You're getting some ridiculous and downright illegal advice here.

The horse owner DID NOT abandon the horse. Your sister has been in contact with her all through this thing, so if she wanted the horse for herself she should have addressed that with the owner prior to now.

The way I see it, your sister has had a free lease the last two years. It's customary for the lessee to pay all bills unless otherwise contractually noted. The fact that there was no written contract doesn't mean that the animal was abandoned. In fact, since your sister and the owner have been in contact, that stipulates agreement between them concerning the horse's care.

Your sister has no legal recourse to claim the animal as her own, and stealing the horse and hiding it somewhere else can not only get your sister in trouble, but also the landowner where she hides it. I can't believe someone would condone theft, just because they were too shortsighted to get a written lease agreement.
     
    09-23-2012, 12:40 PM
  #15
Showing
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Originally Posted by Cowboy Ringo    
To be honest, since the horse ownder didnt care enough to send money, id find a family friend with a farm and stash the horse there. Since there was no legal docs written up, your sister could say she has no idea what the ownder is talking about lol....oh BTW, im only saying this because of the crappy owner.
OP, it doesn't seem like your sister would do anything like this, but I think I'd better put it out there that this is downright illegal and wrong. Do not take this advice.
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    09-23-2012, 01:08 PM
  #16
Banned
It's a shame for your sister, but it sounds like she has felt ownership over a horse that isn't hers.

As others have said, it's basically been an informal free lease.


Anyway to salvage the relationship with the owner, so your sister could still see and/or ride the horse?
     
    09-24-2012, 12:49 AM
  #17
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Speed Racer    
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The horse owner DID NOT abandon the horse. Your sister has been in contact with her all through this thing, so if she wanted the horse for herself she should have addressed that with the owner prior to now.

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I was the one who suggested this, and I was just throwing it out there as a possibility... like I said the first time around, the laws could be very different where you are, OP, but where I am, not paying for your animal for 3 months without alternate arrangements made (which could have been made in your case, verbal ones) it's considered abandonment. All I'm saying is to check in to it; look up livestock laws in your area. Good luck.
     
    09-29-2012, 09:22 PM
  #18
Weanling
Wow... I'd start by sending the owner notice that she owes your sister $XXXX.XX at this point before the horse can be taken. Establish that there is money owing for this horse's care and keeping. Laws vary by state regarding non-payment for care and keeping. However, as said above, your sister was in contact with this woman, and it seemed to be good communication. I'm sure there were some verbal agreements here that haven't been disclosed. As in, perhaps they had an agreement to free-lease the horse to your sister, which could have been the owner's understanding? Hmm...
     
    10-05-2012, 12:29 PM
  #19
Yearling
I tend to agree with some of the others. There was never a written agreement/contract so the horse belongs to the woman. I don't know how it works sending money to places while you're deployed...she very well could have been planning to pay the total boarding fee when she came home. Your sister paid all the expenses of her own free will. As has been noted, in most leases it is common that the responsibility of animal costs falls on the leasee (the person "borrowing" the horse). The owner doesn't owe her anything except maybe a "thank you for taking care of my horse."
     
    10-05-2012, 07:01 PM
  #20
Foal
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Originally Posted by Karmasmygirl    
My sister (17 yrs old) aquired a horse (18yr old quarter horse) about two years ago from a stable she was volunteering at. The owner of the horse is in the military and had left the horse in the care of the stable. (I don't know if she was paying board or what) The horse was being used for lessons and what not, and the owner wasn't very fond of that, so she asked her friend to keep this horse at her personal barn (where the owner was supposed to send down $$ to help cover feed, but never did).

My sister followed where that horse went and started riding him at the personal barn with the owner of the barn. The owner (military lady) of the horse liked the idea of her horse only having one rider and she gave my sister full permission to ride him whenever she wanted.

After keeping him at the personal barn for the entire summer of 2011, my sister wanted to move him cause he was getting too beat up by the other horses and she had the opportunity to move him to a barn right down the road from us. She talked to the owner (all of there communication is done by email b/c the military lady is rarely in state due to being in the military). The owner agreed to let her move him so she moved him to the barn right by us strictly under my sisters care.

My sister has been paying for his feed, coggins, vet bills, farrier bills, and anything else strictly out of her own pocket. The military owner never sent down a dime to help cover expenses.

A couple of months ago the owner was in town and ASKED if it was okay if she could come visit him. My sister said yes and they had a very nice and civil meet and greet with the horse and owner and the owner left without any problems.

Within the past week, the horse has come down with a very serious ear infection. He's getting treatment and should be fine, but the owner is all of a sudden unhappy with the situation and is telling my sister she will be down in a few months to move the horse to a new home.

Does this horse even belong to the military owner anymore? The coggins are in my sisters name and everything. There was no bill of sale or any signed documents between them, but my sister is absolutely broken hearted that this horse (her first horse, if it can be considered hers) is going to be taken away from her after solely caring for him for over a year.

Is there anything we can do or does the horse still technically belong to the owner and she has the right to do whatever she wants?

We live in Florida if that makes any difference about laws.

If you're still reading, thank youn so much for your time.

I have to ask what does the e-mails say? Did they mention anything about who was to pay for the horse care? Was the owner going to send money to your sister?
     

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