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post #11 of 19 Old 10-04-2011, 08:19 PM
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Humane slaughter can be done (Iceland is the best example), but I don't believe for a second that we in North America would ever be willing to spend the time and expense needed. It just isn't part of our culture.
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I'm not sure I follow. I spent several hours the other day trying to find where horse slaughter had been banned. I can't find it. All I could find were failed federal bills. Some places like montana and utah have passed laws making it easier to open one if someone were to desire to do that. Maybe someone could share a link or something. I see they were banned in specific states but there wouldn't be anything stopping one of these companies from opening up somewhere else. If there were a decent market for it.

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I think it's more subtle than outright banning of horse slaughter. There are laws against selling/transporting horses intended for slaughter; and there are appropriations bills that defunded the USDA inspectors at slaughter sites. So, if you can't buy/sell/ship for slaughter, and you can't get your horse meat inspected you have no way to get horse meat to the market. Thus, the slaughter houses go out of business.
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The subject of humane killing can be discussed forever without ever changing anyone's mind. Having lived on a farm where we killed and processed our own meat in addition to euthanizing an animal when it had to be done, I feel comfortable saying that when we killed an animal (for whatever reason) it was clean and fast. 150 gr pullet to the head is going to finish any animal, including a horse.

As for the making it legal again to slaughter horses in the US. They're going to be slaughtered somewhere. It's mainly the world's Anglo societies that aren't willing to accept that from a nutritional perspective equine meat is the healthiest domestic red meat (all mamals are red meat) we produce in this country (followed by goat). You pay a hefty price for equine in restaurants in Italy.

Yes, they are animals that we don't think of as a meat sourse in our society (today), but we represent a minority of the world. Yet, prior to the later part of the 1900s horse meat was still eaten by citizens of the US. In the 1800's even more horses were consumed in this country. In this country, as in Europe and Asia, there were times when we've also eaten animal species we usually see as house pets. But I digress.

Better to slaughter them here. It'll will be more humane than the treatment unwanted equines currently get. And after learning to deal with having to kill and slaughter, or take to slaughter, pigs that use to follow me around like having another dog, or cattle that I raised on a bottle from the time they were 3 days old , I'd have no problem eating an equine steak from an animal that I never knew. No more so than I have a problem eating a beef steak or ham from an animal I didn't raise. I'd rather they use the better parts of the animal for human consumption than put it all into dog food. A lot of it will get shipped to Europe anyway, which is were a lot of it goes now after the animals have been slaughtered someplace else.
Imagine if we had a law outlawing the slaughter of any domestic animal. Canada and Mexico would be ranking fortunes processing all of our livestock.
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Why not just to put it down with vet or fire up a bullet rather than using a bolt? Because it's more expensive or there are other reasons?

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Why not just to put it down with vet

If by "with vet" you mean euthanasia, that isn't allowed for horses meant for human consumption. I can't find the article now, but I think in Iceland they take them one by one into a room and shoot them. They also have a good system of quality control – all horses are microchiped, and when a horse gets a drug humans shouldn't have, and alarm is put on the microchip to say that it can't be slaughtered for human consumption for a certain length of time.
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if by "with vet" you mean euthanasia, that isn't allowed for horses meant for human consumption. I can't find the article now, but I think in Iceland they take them one by one into a room and shoot them. They also have a good system of quality control – all horses are microchiped, and when a horse gets a drug humans shouldn't have, and alarm is put on the microchip to say that it can't be slaughtered for human consumption for a certain length of time.
You can buy some really nice horse hides in Iceland too. Horses are actually a better usage of feed than most domestic food animals. The horse is useful to humans for years in different capacities. Then when it's life is finished (and I've seen some live a long time...my cousins mule is in his 30's) it can provide a good quality protien. Horse is also one of the few animals that the better quality meat is from the older animals vs the younger ones.
Probably why the horse was so vital to many ancient cultures like the Scythians, Huns, Mongols and the horse tribes of the US. Both for the work and food it provided.
Not many animals can claim to provide as much use as the horse when you take everything they can be used for into account.
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Why even bring such a subject up? People who are for slaughter aren't likely to change their minds. People who are against slaughter aren't likely to change their minds.

It's a moot point to be discussed.

We ALL live by our own codes of ethics and views of what is considered humane treatement.....or not.....most of us aren't likely to change our minds because of an internet discussion board. Nor is the USA Ag dept likely to change their ruling because we want them to. Or not.


It is what it is..... a sensitive subject that oftentimes descends into bickering and/or vilifying of those who are pro slaughter and mocking and condescending of those who are anti slaughter.
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I'm not sure I follow. I spent several hours the other day trying to find where horse slaughter had been banned. I can't find it. All I could find were failed federal bills. Some places like montana and utah have passed laws making it easier to open one if someone were to desire to do that. Maybe someone could share a link or something. I see they were banned in specific states but there wouldn't be anything stopping one of these companies from opening up somewhere else. If there were a decent market for it.

My guess is they didn't ban it outright because they don't want to make it illegal for people to shoot (and maybe eat) their own horses. Don't know about the U.S., but Canada's anti-prostitution laws are written the same way.
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