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        04-13-2010, 05:14 PM
      #21
    dop
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MissH    
    This is so sad... I sincerely wish you all the best and a speedy recovery for your new partner (who is absolutely gorgeous by the way). Please keep us updated on the recovery.
    Thanks so much for your kind words. I'll definitely keep you posted.
         
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        04-13-2010, 05:16 PM
      #22
    dop
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by farmpony84    
    I would also look into it. I honostly don't know. When it happened to my horse I had no one to blame but myself. I had a pile of left over aluminum siding next to the riding arena which is not fenced. It was on a hill near the barn but the child riding the horse did not have enough control and the horse trotted on up to the nicer grace and took just one tiny step back. Severed the tendons in the one leg and the artery in the other. It was a pretty scary situation, the next day, it took me less then ten minutes to move the siding to a safer location.

    The first couple days after the surgery she was in a cast. (a real cast like what a human would have on a broken arm or leg). After the first couple days the vet removed the cast and then used the back half of it as a brace. So we wrapped with cotton wrap and then a sticky ace type bandage, placed the cast over that and then with the k-flex tape. It was a daily thing for about 4 weeks after she came home from the hospital, she was there for two....
    Sounds like your horse got excellent care! Interesting about the cast.

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    Originally Posted by Curly_Horse_CMT    
    I am so sorry to hear this We had a Arab mare that completly "degloved" her back leg near the hock on high tensile cattle wire. She didn't see it and trotted right into it. It cut her up really bad, and it was down to the tendons. She was on stall rest for months, but she recovered fully with no lameness in the hock or the leg. She only had a scar where the wire had touched her. Keep us updated on your guy. Maybe things will turn out for the better
    Thanks! Hoping things turn out well for him - my primary concern.
         
        04-13-2010, 05:18 PM
      #23
    dop
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mls    
    The photo with the white paint with the fly mask? Slightly sagging maybe but I certainly wouldn't be overly concerned about it.

    With only one leg injured it is very likely your BO is correct and it was a lower wire that caused the injury. Horses kick high with BOTH back legs using their front end to get more 'umph'. Actually a sagging wire would be forgiving but a tight wire would cut.

    We just had the "safe for horses fencing" discussion here last week. It doesn't matter if you put the horse in a round rubber padded room - a horse can and will find a way to hurt itself.
    Good points..not really sure how it happened as she's changed her story a couple of times. I'll have to look for that thread about 'safe for horses fencing'.
         
        04-13-2010, 05:31 PM
      #24
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    Dop,

    I feel for you. Like I said, my horses injury was due to my own stupidity. I told my husband 15 times we needed to move that stuff and like I said, when I moved it after the fact, it took less then 10 minutes. I was SO MAD at myself for my own lazy faults. I can COMPLETELY see how you would be angry with a BO. You are PAYING that person to provide care for your horse. You pointed out a potential problem, and your horse got hurt. It is NORMAL to be angry, it's normal to ask the questions you are asking. I really hope that someone can help give you a good answer.

    I'm curious as well if the BO could be faulted. I had a horse that was boarded years ago that was injured, not to that extent and he healed, with a huge scar. I always wondered if I could have gotten the BO to pay the vet bills. I just assumed it was an inherent risk. I do not see any wrong in your asking questions. Nor do I see anything wrong with how you are feeling right now....
         
        04-14-2010, 08:56 AM
      #25
    Banned
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dop    
    Thanks for your sympathy?
    Sincere sympathy about the injury is only appreciated when it comes from someone who is supporting your theories?
    Um, sure....
    Just FYI - I am truly sorry your horse was injured. It is sad for all involved. I just have issues with people who insist everything that goes wrong is the fault of someone else.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dop    
    Perhaps. But my horse is in no condition to move at the present time and my daughter and I really like the barn and the barn owner.
    I asked the question about you planning to move because I am guessing your BO is going to ask you to if you start insisting this issue is 100% their fault and start saying to them how they should have watched your horse every second it was turned out the first day and how they should have made their vet drop what they were doing and all that stuff.


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dop    
    How dare she do this? Well, she is the barn owner and it is her business. She should have fixed the fence when it was brought to her attention as it was her responsibility to do so. I believe it was a reasonable request on my part.
    I am assuming you are the type of boarder that would also blame the BO if your horse is playing in turn out and gets hurt some how. Some how the BO was supposed to know that was going to happen and prevent it, right?

    Do not know your BO at all but I am guessing she did supervise for some time. All was going well so she went about doing her chores and I am guessing checked on the horses from time to time.

    If you had showed up and your stalls were not clean and the BO said, "sorry, did not clean stalls today, stood right here all day making sure this turn out situation worked fine" you would not have been happy about that either.

    Something you should realize. Horses are horses. They get hurt. Even with 24/7 supervision. Just like kids. The instant you blink they do something stupid.

    I still wonder how you would have expected the injury from being prevented even if the BO was standing right there. It probably took one kick.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dop    
    BTW, I pay her for her services which includes the supervision, care, & safety of my horse and my daughter's
    Well then.......

    Anyone who has ever taken care of a horse knows how funny this sounds. Come on.
    The BO did not toss your horse out with 10 other strange horses and walk away and let happen whatever will happen. Even you say your horse was put out with one horse that your horse got along with the day before.

    If I was your BO and I saw you were saying these things on the internet I would for sure be giving you notice to leave.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dop    
    I have other photos that show the top wire sagging down to the third wire. I was just curious why the BO said the top wire wasn't sagging at all when it clearly was?
    I thought the point of that photo you posted was to show us how bad the sagging wire was. Why not post the photos that showed it at its worse?

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dop    
    The BO called several vets & none were available-this does concern me.
    Why?

    The day my filly cut her leg on the fence (if you read the other thread about fencing, the story is there) I called three practices in my area. Sutures are a low emergency. I had to wait two hours for a vet to come out. They were dealing with real emergency issues like colic (one hospital), another suture issues that had called earlier than me (the vet that came out), and a cow having birthing issues (third vet).

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dop    
    I'm guessing you're a barn owner?
    Um. No. Well not in the sense that you are referencing. I have my horses at home. Do not have any boarders (will not have any boarders because of situations like this actually).
    I have boarded for many many years. I have seen lots of different types of boarders. I totally sympathize with barn owners who have to put up with boarders, that is all.


    With all this BO does that you hate so much I am totally not getting why you say you are wanting to stay there. You do not trust this BO obviously. You feel she is giving inadequate care (at least that is what you are saying to us).

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dop
    True, not all, but sometimes someone else does have to pay. That's life and truly it's not personal.


    I suppose I should have gone after the people that made the gate my filly cut her leg on. Who would have guessed she could cut her leg on a pipe gate. It must be their fault, right? Though I suppose it would not have happened if I never went to work and sat next to the pasture all day long and did nothing but watch.

    BTW - you did not answer, is your daughter's horse turned out in that pasture with the loose wire?
    When you left on Saturday did you say to the barn owner, "I see that wire in Dobbin's pasture is still loose. I do not want my new horse turned out there until the wire is fixed?"
         
        04-14-2010, 10:12 AM
      #26
    dop
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Alwaysbehind    
    I totally sympathize with barn owners who have to put up with boarders, that is all.
    I totally get that.
         
        04-14-2010, 10:17 AM
      #27
    dop
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by farmpony84    
    dop,

    I feel for you. Like I said, my horses injury was due to my own stupidity. I told my husband 15 times we needed to move that stuff and like I said, when I moved it after the fact, it took less then 10 minutes. I was SO MAD at myself for my own lazy faults. I can COMPLETELY see how you would be angry with a BO. You are PAYING that person to provide care for your horse. You pointed out a potential problem, and your horse got hurt. It is NORMAL to be angry, it's normal to ask the questions you are asking. I really hope that someone can help give you a good answer.

    I'm curious as well if the BO could be faulted. I had a horse that was boarded years ago that was injured, not to that extent and he healed, with a huge scar. I always wondered if I could have gotten the BO to pay the vet bills. I just assumed it was an inherent risk. I do not see any wrong in your asking questions. Nor do I see anything wrong with how you are feeling right now....
    Thanks. I really appreciate your post. Not sure what I'm going to do. I may consult an attorney. I may not. No amount of money can compensate imo.

    BTW, my horse is eating well, drinking plenty of fluids, taking his meds w/o difficulty, bearing weight on the injured leg but still knuckling. Not sure what I'll find when I change the dressing today. Hope the suture line is intact.
         
        04-14-2010, 10:17 AM
      #28
    mls
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dop    
    It may come to my word against hers...good point.
    Bottom line - what does your contract say about injuries suffered on property?

    I am a BO. I have a personal horse in every turnout situation with my boarders horses. I have had vet bills due to boarders horses hurting my personal horses. Stuff happens. Even if someone were to stand and watch 24/7 - horses will do amazingly stupid things.

    You probably do not want to hear this - but in the whole of this issue - I do not feel the BO is responsible for the injury. The horse kicked out. The horse was being a horse. You can't blame the BO - or yourself - for that.
         
        04-14-2010, 10:23 AM
      #29
    Banned
    You did not answer, is your daughter's horse turned out in that pasture with the loose wire?


         
        04-14-2010, 10:25 AM
      #30
    dop
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mls    
    Bottom line - what does your contract say about injuries suffered on property?
    I asked for the contract (in writing) two weeks before I brought the horse in. She never gave me a contract to sign. I asked again for the contract the day I brought him in. Didn't happen. No contract exists. However, given I signed one for my daughter's horse, there is one on file and technically she could make an argument for an 'implied' contract..or maybe not. Don't know - I'm not an atty.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mls    
    I am a BO. I have a personal horse in every turnout situation with my boarders horses. I have had vet bills due to boarders horses hurting my personal horses. Stuff happens. Even if someone were to stand and watch 24/7 - horses will do amazingly stupid things.

    You probably do not want to hear this - but in the whole of this issue - I do not feel the BO is responsible for the injury. The horse kicked out. The horse was being a horse. You can't blame the BO - or yourself - for that.
    She should have fixed the fence when I asked. That truly is the issue imo. Again, I'm not an atty.
         

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