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post #11 of 24 Old 04-12-2012, 01:33 PM
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I am in the camp of - no refund. I agree that it's been too long between the sale and the complaint.

Do you happen to have an e-mail or voice mail from shortly after the sale on how the horse was doing? Good back up if this were to progress to the attorney stage.

Also - a vet check can determine the wear lines on the teeth from cribbing. New or old!
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post #12 of 24 Old 04-12-2012, 01:40 PM
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interesting. my TB is a cribber which was not disclosed to me when i purchased him. *shrug* it is annoying? sure. but i haven't had any other problems health wise with him because of it so i guess i didn't look at it that way.

either way - no refund!
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post #13 of 24 Old 04-12-2012, 01:49 PM
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Some people have no problem with it, crimonsky. Personally, the sound drives me crazy and the destruction it causes on the fences is out of the question for me.

I'm not arguing with you, I'm just explaining why I'm right.

Nothing sucks more than that moment during an argument when you realize you're wrong.

It's not always what you say but what they hear.
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post #14 of 24 Old 04-12-2012, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by mildot View Post
No refund. The cribbing started after they had him in their possession.

And even if it did crib while he was yours, I fail to see how that is grounds for any refund.

As a matter of fact, unless there was a written sales contract, the horse is sold as-is. In that case it is incumbent on the buyer to do his due diligence with a vet examination.

It is really true the horse world has more crazy people than most others.
Remind me to never buy a horse from you. To not disclose a vice such as cribbing is, at the least, shady. Your last statement, more true than you know, and the horse world also has more than its share of shady people.

As for me-it is an absolute deal breaker. Had one-never will again. THat is one of my first questions when I am looking at a horse for that reason. I do agree, however, that if it TRULY did not do it when you had him it is something they have changed in his life that he is reacting to. I would NOT be inclined to give a refund after this period of time either. Who knows the real reason they have decided they would like a refund. I doubt that is it.

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post #15 of 24 Old 04-12-2012, 03:29 PM
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I had a cribber years ago but disclosed it to the buyer. I also sent her cribbing collar with her. As long as she wore it, she was fine. My mare was a great riding horse and I loved her, but at the time I needed to get out of horses due to finances (miss her still). Personally I will never buy another cribber however.

As far as waiting 3 months to contact you....I think that your legal standing is good. Had the horse been a cribber when you sold it, the habit would have shown up immediately.
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post #16 of 24 Old 04-15-2012, 08:19 AM
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Cribbing absolutely must be disclosed to the buyer, and if it is not, is reason to void the sales contract.

The only sale ever voided at the Saratoga yearling sales after the hammer fell was for a horse that was not properly identified as a cribber in the sales catalog. She went back through the sale after being identified as a cribber and sold for considerably less.

For performance horses, it can definitley be an unsoundness. For all other horses, it is considered a vice.

I'm with Iridehorses - I won't have one in my barn.

However, back to the OP's question. If the horse didn't crib while you owned it, and didn't start until 3 months after the sale, you are under no obligation to the buyer. It's likely that a change in the horse's management (more stall time/less turn out) triggered the cribbing.
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post #17 of 24 Old 04-21-2012, 05:30 PM
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My good show gelding was a cribber.

His jowl strap was enough to stop him.

The day I stopped showing I came home, pulled off his blanket and told Sunny to go enjoy being a the pasture.

He was 10 and had NEVER been lose.

He loved that summer, I put him in at night.

When winter came he missed a few days going outside.

I heard him cribbing but, did not put his jowl strap back on him.

Sunny died of colic at the age of 11.

He was third at the world show the year before.

I still am sick with guilt.
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post #18 of 24 Old 04-21-2012, 07:01 PM
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I have a 25 y/o cribber that has cribbed since we bought him at 3 y/o, and it is awful. The sound drives me nuts. It must not impact his teeth much, because the dentist never asks if he has a cribbing problem, but I hate that my stalls are destroyed because of his vice.
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post #19 of 24 Old 04-22-2012, 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Ripper View Post
I heard him cribbing but, did not put his jowl strap back on him.

Sunny died of colic at the age of 11.

He was third at the world show the year before.

I still am sick with guilt.
Oh Ripper that is so sad! I feel so bad for you.
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post #20 of 24 Old 04-22-2012, 06:57 AM
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you are dealing with state law issues that vary state to state. I can give you the VA answer. Are you a horse professional ? Did you represent yourself as a horse professional ? If the answers to those questions are No, and ur not a dealer or pro trainer, then all horse sales in VA are as is with no warranty unless a written one is added. So unless they have a written guarantee ahead of time then the default ruling would be no refunds.
I got into this over a partially blind appaloosa horse. I advertised it as partially blind. I signed release for buyers to talk to my vet. I gave them a 30 day at my house trial period, they didnt take advantage of. I only sold horse for 500 , back when she woulda been worth several thousand if she wasnt blind. Same thing they wanted their money back cause she ran into things,, Well duh you bought a blind horse. They sent certified letter gettign snotty, I sent them a copy of the original add stating horse was blind, as well as a copy of the above mentioned state law.
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