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  • Can someone get aqha papers if it isn't in their name
  • Is it illegal to sell aqha papers

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    08-07-2012, 04:41 PM
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If that is her then I don't see any Impressive in her bloodlines which means she isn't hiding HYPP. I wonder if she actually owns the horse? What you can do is have your friend contact AQHA and they will work with you to get the papers, if it's possible.
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    08-07-2012, 04:42 PM
Originally Posted by iridehorses    
Things like that need to have been brought up before money changed hands. I've seen horses sell for a real cheap price with no papers but a higher price if papers were included. Seems ridiculous to me but apparently not to the seller for whatever reason.
Just as an FYI for my Canadian neighbors:
This is actually illegal in Canada - Alberta at least. If an animal is advertised as registered, the papers must go with, and there cannot be a price differential with or without papers. Just in case anyone is ever in this position..
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    08-07-2012, 04:43 PM
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    08-07-2012, 07:28 PM
Report her to AQHA.
    08-08-2012, 08:41 AM
Have any of you contacted the AQHA on this subject? I have as a matter of interest as I wondered why the papers would not always go with the horse. NO I have never bought a horse and had someone hold the papers. BUT the AQHA official I spoke to said that the owner of the papers can do what they want with them. They do not have to go with the horse. Not something I agree with but it is what it is.

That being said if I advertise a registered horse for sale and I own the horse and the papers, I would think I could advertise it as registered. Now when you come out to look at it I could say to you ... yes the horse is registered but you will be getting it grade as the papers will not follow the horse.

It could be a mare they don't want bred for some reason, who knows? But I don't exchange money without the proper paperwork in hand after learning the hard way :)
    08-08-2012, 09:11 AM
I've seen that quite a bit over the years for a couple of reasons. They aren't breeding quality and the seller wants to prevent breeding of that animal (less likely someone will breed a grade mare) or the horse is a cull and the seller doesn't want that horse attached to their breeding program.

I do find it a bit strange that the horse would be advertised as registered and papers not come with. Those with reasons I have seen either get ran thru a sale barn or sold as grade and one would never know papers existed. I think it's pretty shady to advertise one as registered and try to sell the papers separately for more money.

Though it probably isn't likely, if you can get the seller to sign a transfer the physical papers don't matter the AQHA will issue a duplicate.
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    08-08-2012, 10:26 AM
Called the AQHA again today to verify and yes the certificate doesn't need to follow the horse but they are suppose to be turned in the the AQHA and a note send along saying the horse was sold as grade. The AQHA will never send a certificate on the horse again... the horse from that point on will be grade.
    08-08-2012, 10:50 AM
The horse is still in the breeders name so you could always go that route. Her is the info on the certificate


I removed the personal information concerning the breeder. If the OP wants the information, please contact WickedNag by PM.
    08-08-2012, 11:50 AM
RebeccaA13 did you see my post? I thought your response was yes that was her. If that is the case there in not much your friend can do. She bought a grade horse :)
    08-08-2012, 11:54 AM
Yea that is her. She's going to try and talk to her to get the papers. If not she said she's going to report her to the AQHA. Thank you.

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