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post #21 of 55 Old 03-08-2012, 11:10 PM
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post #22 of 55 Old 03-09-2012, 04:54 AM
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Is your state a "right to work" state, or did you have an "at will" type agreement?
Neither of those two legal concepts apply to the OP's situation.

"Right to work" means only that one is not compelled to join a labor union as a condition of employment, IF the position in question is covered by a bargaining agreement. How many barns are unionized?

And if your job isn't covered by a specific contract, you are automatically an "at will" employee, which can be released from work for almost any reason. The only protections are against being fired for a reason that violates some very specific protected categories.

The people the OP is dealing with are nutjobs, plain and simple.
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post #23 of 55 Old 03-09-2012, 07:21 AM
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It's obvious that you did all you could. They were ungrateful and unwilling to admit any fault. As AZWANTAPAINT said, just chalk it up to a bad experience and if the subject comes up, you can always sayyou have documentation that shows that you were fair and gave them plenty of chances to either improve their work ethic or leave. I'm sorry that they weren't as kind to you as you were to them.

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post #24 of 55 Old 03-09-2012, 11:23 AM
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Here is what I think, I would send a registered letter, tell them that they own the full balance. You may not get any thing but you could take it off your taxes as a lost but you have to have it in writing that she owes you it may also stop others from doing this because the will now that you will go after them

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post #25 of 55 Old 03-09-2012, 11:46 AM
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Actually, I think you are being nasty! I think I would have written it off as a good lesson. It's not that much money to cause all this fuss! If you take them to small claims court she will have her work records and you will have yours. "He said, she said". Obviously there was no agreement about "working off the board"......she/they thought they were working up to standard and you did not. Sound like they were mad about getting fired and couldn't wait to leave!! I wouldn't wanted to stay either with someone like you that has such a bad temper!!
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Actually, I think you are being nasty!


I wouldn't wanted to stay either with someone like you that has such a bad temper!!
Could you please point out where the OP is being nasty? And where you are seeing "such a bad temper"?
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Actually, I think you are being nasty! I think I would have written it off as a good lesson. It's not that much money to cause all this fuss! If you take them to small claims court she will have her work records and you will have yours. "He said, she said". Obviously there was no agreement about "working off the board"......she/they thought they were working up to standard and you did not. Sound like they were mad about getting fired and couldn't wait to leave!! I wouldn't wanted to stay either with someone like you that has such a bad temper!!
Now we know who doesn't like being held accountable, now do we?
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Actually, I think you are being nasty! I think I would have written it off as a good lesson. It's not that much money to cause all this fuss! If you take them to small claims court she will have her work records and you will have yours. "He said, she said". Obviously there was no agreement about "working off the board"......she/they thought they were working up to standard and you did not. Sound like they were mad about getting fired and couldn't wait to leave!! I wouldn't wanted to stay either with someone like you that has such a bad temper!!
The problem in this situation was not about whether or not there were any actual discrepancies in how much work was performed. The woman/family were trying to lie about their contractual obligations, only problem being that we had it all in WRITING. The offer to work was completely separate. However, the mother in the family decided to take it so much further in her unprofessional letter and intentionally falsified credit for work she didnt perform in a DELIBERATE attempt to stiff us. Then after I sent a brief letter, directing her attention to certain points of our contract, and the same invoice she acknowledged owing, she paid. With the check for the full amount of the invoice, she gave us another letter in which she ACTUALLY SAYS "the contact is silly", "means nothing"to her, and says she is only
Paying because of her faith. You know, because apparently she does not understand what a contact is for, and is trying to be all "holier than thou"in an effort to refrain from admitting to herself or her family that she was wrong, or two faced, or just plain stupid (or all of the above). If she had a problem with the terms, including price, and the explicit thirty day notice requirement, she should have kept looking for a different barn. We were annoyed that they didnt complete the work as instructed, but out of courtesy allowed them to work to a point where, they could submit thirty day notice and they'd still have been paying considerably less than the amount she AGREED to as the actual price of board.

I'm still not sure why you think I'm being nasty, or have a temper. I have a problem with people trying to walk all over us and take advantage of our kindness. However, anything nasty that I have had to say has been contained to this forum and a letter that I wrote to vent my frustrations/rebut the flat out lies of this "holy roller", but that was never sent. Instead, we sent a brief letter reminding them of their contractual obligations, including the fact that failure to uphold their end of it could result in a suit... Simply on principle alone.

If we just let people pay us whatever they wanted and did not have a contract, I'd certainly take responsibility and not pursue the monies owed. However, that contract is in place EXACTLY for these types of stupid situations.
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Actually, there are always 2 sides to every story and we're not hearing the other side. I was just wondering how you can be sure of how much work she was doing? I'm sure you didn't stand there watching her all the time. Or did you? I just think that you are very angry and it would be best for everyone including yourself if you just let it go. If she is as nasty, "two-faced & as "stupid" as you say why bother with her? I don't think it is worth the agravation to deal with her anymore if she is as bad as you say.
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Wow, ChristineNJ, I think that Sillyhorses was just telling us about a raw deal that she got. No, we haven't heard the other side. But if people are supposed to do a certain amount of work in a certain way, for the board of their horse, it's only fair, then, that they do their work to specifications. They knew going in, what was expected of them. They signed a contract - legal and binding - on their own free will. No-one held a gun to them to sign that contract. After their horse stayed at this barn they just can't change their minds and say, no we don't want to do it your way. As the owner of the barn, and the one who was feeding that horse, and letting them keep the horse in the stall/pasture whatever, Sillyhorses has a right to have those people keep their end of the bargain. Please, just take a step back and look at the whole picture. Sillyhorses did them a favor. They wanted to take advantage, by threatening (implied threat) that they would tell others of the "unfair treatment". When actually, they signed their names in agreement with the arrangements set out before they started to work. They didn't want to be held to the contract. It's quite simple. I see no nastiness nor bad temper from Sillyhorses. She has a right to feel put out and frustrated.
Hang in there, Sillyhorses. What goes around comes around. The former boarders will have to learn the hard way, what life is truely about.

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