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post #11 of 33 Old 04-21-2014, 08:21 PM
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Smorzie, I get your concern, it's just that the alternatives are truly often worse for horses. I am more concerned with the other end these days - people breeding horses because they want a "cute" foal, or their dog because it would be "nice" to have puppies, etc, leading to an oversupply of horses and dogs that too often end in neglect or euthanasia. A horse lives for 25-30+ years, how many people breeding casually think that far? Another bee in my bonnet is horse racing industries having 2-and 3-year old age classics and racing before horses are mature enough to stand heavy work without permanent damage - the average race horse is too injured to run competitively before age 10, which is considered "old" in such circles. Hence I joke that the "Pedigree Pal" dog food is thus called because of all the expensive pedigree racehorses it's made from.

I agree that horses need to be able to be slaughtered locally rather than transported long distances to countries that may or may not have humane slaughter practices. I also agree that we can't make double standards for different kinds of animals, but need to be concerned with the welfare of all of them while alive, including the need for humane killing. Death is an unfortunate part of life, and if you watch animal documentaries, you'll find that carnivores in nature are not generally quicker or more humane killing their prey than a trained person with a firearm.

We had to shoot a horse recently - my favourite horse ever. The state of her health necessitated it. After 31 years it was not an easy decision, but the method of killing her was quick and almost certainly painless. We are planting a tree on her, but not everyone can do that, and there is a good argument for letting the food chain continue.
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how would you feel if you were sent to slaughter like all the jews during the holocaust and all the animals being tortured to tenderize your meat then slaughtered and still need tenderized and then fed to your own species and other species

personaly i wouldn't like that, but everyone has their own opinion
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post #13 of 33 Old 04-21-2014, 10:12 PM
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Lol you can not compare this to the holocaust sorry nice try

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smorzie, I missed the coherent thought in your post. Can you restate it? I'm not sure how eating a hamburger equates to massacring Jews, or who is feeding horse meat to horses.

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Originally Posted by smorzie View Post
how would you feel if you were sent to slaughter like all the jews during the holocaust and all the animals being tortured to tenderize your meat then slaughtered and still need tenderized and then fed to your own species and other species

personaly i wouldn't like that, but everyone has their own opinion
The Holocaust? Seriously?

You never answered some previous questions, do you eat any kind of Meat?

Do you ride your Horse in a Leather Saddle?

Do you use Leather Products of any kind?

Do you take any Medicine?

Do you eat Jello?

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OP, I don't think you're going to find much support for your cause here. Just re-read what has already been posted and add me to the list.

And really - the holocaust? THAT hits very close to home for me and does not belong on a thread about animal slaughter. I doubt I will post again on this thread as I will likely just lose my temper trying to educate you. My patience doesn't go that far.
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post #17 of 33 Old 04-21-2014, 11:04 PM
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Smorzie, how old are you? Have you done ecology in Science class yet, and do you know about food chains/food webs? Do you know that nature could not operate as we know it without organisms dying and being born? Would you shoot lions for being "murderers" and then let zebras starve to death due to overpopulation?

Holocaust indeed. Maybe pay close attention in history class when it's covered. Slaughterhouses in civilised countries cannot be compared to the Jewish concentration camps of Nazi Germany. You're going to put a lot of noses out of joint talking like that, and I don't believe you intend to offend, I think you're just looking at your issue with tunnel vision. Your compassion for animals is to be commended - but extending it to the bigger picture would be a good thing to aim for, also for the sake of animals. Plus brushing of on a bit of history so you don't inadvertently hurt people.
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post #18 of 33 Old 04-21-2014, 11:08 PM
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Everyone has their own view on it, but if you're going to say "Stop horse slaughter!" you might as well say "Stop breeding horses!" Horses are expensive to keep and not everyone can afford to own one, especially when they get old, injured, ill or are untouched. They have to go somewhere and if the slaughter houses close down, where are these animals going to go? Who's going to take them in? Sure, some people will open their homes but there will never be enough to save them all. Sad, but that's how it is alot of the time. Same goes for dogs and cats. Thousands are euthenized everyday, it only seems less cruel because they way they go is a bit gentler and they dont typically become food afterwards.
Horses are livestock, no different than cows or sheep or pigs.

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I'd rather a horse be slaughtered for the greater good to help feed the hungry opposed to being mistreated by humankind.
Did you know people are letting horses loose in some parts of the country in hopes they go back to being wild? The domesticated horses interbreeding with the wild mustang is starting to veritably kill off the mustang breed.
Those are feral horses. they are not wild. The feral horses are starting to over run public places like city streets and parks in search of food which isn't there for them. Essentially they're starving off other creatures by over grazing their habitats.

feral animals are a problem and slaughter is an answer for feral and unwanted or sickly animals.
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post #20 of 33 Old 04-21-2014, 11:41 PM
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A little point about slaughter and meat tenderisation: Stress actually decreases meat quality, so good slaughterhouses go out of their way to avoid stressing their animals, for that reason, as well as concern for animal welfare. Home kills are often very good quality meat because of zero stress beforehand - no transport, minimal handling, familiar environment.
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