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post #21 of 33 Old 04-21-2014, 11:49 PM
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Maybe it's just me, but last time I checked horse slaughter for the purpose of controlling population, creating food, and keeping thousands upon thousands of horses from dying slow painful deaths due to starvation and other lack of care, is not even close to the same level as the systematic killing of over 6 million jews.

I mean if we're going to talk like that we might as well compare horse slaughter to the Armenian Genocide, 9/11 or the countless other terrible atrocities against man kind that have taken place throughout the span of history.

You my friend, need to read a book.

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post #22 of 33 Old 04-22-2014, 12:49 AM
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I just had a thought. I think we've all assumed the OP is high school age and therefore tried to reason as you would with a young adult, and we've debated her points to show her other sides to the issue.

But what if this is a very young person, say 12 or under? At that young age, many schoolkids are terrified of the mechanics of death, especially if they didn't grow up on a farm. I've seen many young girls emotionally traumatised by their first confrontation with animal death, whether it's the death of a pet or seeing a report on the actuality of slaughter. Over 90% of the Australian population, for instance, is urbanised and never exposed to animal births, deaths and the realities of food production, let alone what happens in natural ecosystems.

If we are dealing with a girl 12 or under, debating is unlikely to go anywhere with this issue; people need to live and get life experience to get perspective and deal maturely with things like this.

Our OP is showing compassion for animals, which IMO is in itself a good thing. Since we know that stopping animal slaughter is neither feasible nor necessarily desirable, why don't we start a list of suggestions for how that compassion can be harnessed to make a positive difference to the welfare of animals, whether wildlife, companion animals or food animals?

Such as:

  • Making your surroundings wildlife friendly: Many Australians, for example, are planting shelter belts on farms and native plants in their gardens to provide habitats for wildlife, such as songbirds, bandicoots, possums, gliders etc. Shelter belts also give shade and protection to domestic animals.
  • Sterilising your pet cats and dogs
  • Not breeding an animal without careful forethought, which includes careful selection of breeding animals, and never breeding casually just because it might be "cute" to have a litter of puppies or kittens, or some other "adorable animal babies" - adorable they might be, but they grow up and are entirely dependent on us for their welfare
  • Thinking about growing and killing your own food animals, and making sure they have good lives before they become food
  • If that's not possible, then looking at where you are sourcing your animal products, with a view to how these animals are kept - e.g. Looking for genuine free range eggs, pasture-fed beef, free-range pork, and accepting that you will pay a higher price for products that come from production systems that offer better quality of life for food animals
  • Remembering that in the wild, every animal is eventually a food animal (except for extreme situations, like an animal falling into an active volcano or a peat bog)
  • Thinking about getting your next dog or cat from a re-homing facility rather than a breeder
  • Thinking about whether you might like to adopt and ride a Standardbred, OT Thoroughbred or rescue horse, like many people on this forum are doing (but also not judging people for buying good horses from breeders - because it would be a pity if we lost great horse breeds because of over-breeding elsewhere)
  • Thinking about whether you might like to volunteer to help out at a dog pound or similar organisation
  • Thinking about whether you might want to volunteer to walk a dog for someone who is sick, or overwhelmed with demands on their time
  • Not littering, and helping clean up seashores or your local nature patch because plastic litter in particular can create a lot of trouble for animals


That's just a start. Anyone want to add ideas?
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post #23 of 33 Old 04-22-2014, 02:30 AM
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Empathy is a wonderful quality to have. It's admirable that the OP does not want horses to be seen as just fodder for a heartless machine of slaughter and consumption. Maturity will help her to see the reality of the issue; that millions eat meat, or animal by products, and that if not for the availability of slaughter houses to get rid of the many thousands of uncared for horses, they would lead a life of misery, neglect, and often starvation until death.

. Our best bet, as horse lovers, is to encourage limited and thoughtful breeding, and humane slaughter methods.

As a person, if she chooses not to eat or utilize animal products, and by example lead the way, she may make a small change in the future of animals that we currently see as a commodity.
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post #24 of 33 Old 04-22-2014, 08:26 AM
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13 may be the stipulated minimum age here, but it's pretty easy for kids to get around it by, for example, faking a birthday (since no documentary evidence is required), or using a parental account, or borrowing an older friend's. Contemporary children have incredible adeptness at getting around such things - ask any teacher!

The poster may, of course, be over 13. But we can never be sure of that, on the Internet. I could be a Zygon, for example, and you'd never know!
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post #25 of 33 Old 04-22-2014, 10:21 AM
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OP, the fact that you're comparing horse slaughter to the haulocost is absolutely disgusting and incredibly disrespectful. That statement right there tells me all I need to know about the fruitfullness of trying to reason with you, so I won't do it. I'm out. Hopefully one day you can see how awful that is and see the necessity of horse slaughter (unless you can find space for 30+ THOUSAND extra horses per year?)
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thank you
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I am young-15
And I am not going to argue so I will not be opening this thread to look at replays any more
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post #27 of 33 Old 04-22-2014, 10:40 AM
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Comparing genocide to livestock slaughter. The mind boggles.

You want the truth? You can't HANDLE the truth!
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post #28 of 33 Old 04-22-2014, 11:45 AM
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I'm a Vegetarian, because of inhumane conditions and slaughtering. But look, we can't just march up to a slaughter house and demand it be closed. There's much more to it than that. Even if a petition did shut it down (which it wouldn't), do you think all those animals at the slaughter house near you would just happily run free? They've got to go somewhere! And what about the other slaughter houses? Believe me, vegetarians are outnumbered by meat eaters. You can't just magically shut it all down! If you want to do your part, become Vegetarian/Vegan or purchase humanely raised and slaughtered meat ( and by that I mean actually go to a small, local farm and see how they're raised ), or go out and shoot a deer. Your post is the type of things that make omnivores think vegetarians are nut cases. You don't even know how to spell. If you're going to speak out against something, know what you're talking about. I'm young too, only 17, and I am always speaking out against puppy mills and things like that. But I know what I'm talking about, I speak well, and people at least consider what I'm saying, because of that.
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thank you
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And I am not going to argue so I will not be opening this thread to look at replays any more
Thank you
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13 may be the stipulated minimum age here, but it's pretty easy for kids to get around it by, for example, faking a birthday (since no documentary evidence is required), or using a parental account, or borrowing an older friend's. Contemporary children have incredible adeptness at getting around such things - ask any teacher!

The poster may, of course, be over 13. But we can never be sure of that, on the Internet. I could be a Zygon, for example, and you'd never know!

I'm pretty sure you're not a Zygon. You don't even speak Zygonese.

And, by the way, if you suspect someone is under the minimum age, please report such to the moderators, instead of calling them out on that in the open. Same thing with trolls or fantasy posters (not saying these apply to the OP)
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