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Trainer beat horse on Judge Judy

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#63 ·
I am going to give my take on it. I taped it and watched it a couple of times to be clear on a few things and there were lot's of questions I would want to know before making a judgement.

The part that bothered me the most was that the trainer didn't just get the horse. At 1st I though maybe it was just brought to her but it had been there for a month. IF they were pryer injuries they had to be somewhat recent. I think the horse would have shown pain before that day and she would not have been eating.

So had the horse been eating properly? Had the horse been any where pryer to being at her place for the 30 days? What kind of bit was used?

When the horse 1st showed signs of pain why was it not checked out? Regardless if the trainer caused the injuries she was negligent in further investigating why the horse was acting up especially if she had done it in the weeks pryer.

It did irritate me how the trainer thought she was innocent because she paid the bills and fines to prevent animal abuse charges. If I hadn't done it you couldn't get me to cop a plea.
 
#65 ·
The truth!! please read and share,

To all who have shared the horses tongue that got cut PLEASE see the "other" side of the story. The main question I have is how could ANY owner watch their horse being abused that way???!!!!!!???
IF she was there why not stop right then.. ......doesn't that make you wonder about the OWNER???
Folks just read for yourselves and see the injustice. Yes poor horse I am sorry for Misty!! but look at the timeline and the facts.
The TRUTH. Want to know what REALLY happened in the Deborah Hatridge Dobbs/Horse Tongue/Sharon Jeffco case? Check it out here.....complete with documentation to BACK IT UP. http://www.doublejranchperformancehorses.com/ To the owner, if it were my horse I certainly wouldn't have been showing it in that condition just 10 days later,
That says a lot about how much you cared for your horse!! Show records tell the truth, the whole truth!!
 
#76 ·
To all who have shared the horses tongue that got cut PLEASE see the "other" side of the story. The main question I have is how could ANY owner watch their horse being abused that way???!!!!!!???
IF she was there why not stop right then.. ......doesn't that make you wonder about the OWNER???
Folks just read for yourselves and see the injustice. Yes poor horse I am sorry for Misty!! but look at the timeline and the facts.
The TRUTH. Want to know what REALLY happened in the Deborah Hatridge Dobbs/Horse Tongue/Sharon Jeffco case? Check it out here.....complete with documentation to BACK IT UP. http://www.doublejranchperformancehorses.com/ To the owner, if it were my horse I certainly wouldn't have been showing it in that condition just 10 days later,
That says a lot about how much you cared for your horse!! Show records tell the truth, the whole truth!!
tells the true story i thinkl!
 
#66 ·
READ it people you'll see the facts!!

this IS the truth and she has documents / photos to prove it...

To all who have shared the horses tongue that got cut PLEASE see the "other" side of the story. The main question I have is how could ANY owner watch their horse being abused that way???!!!!!!???
IF she was there why not stop right then.. ......doesn't that make you wonder about the OWNER???
Folks just read for yourselves and see the injustice. Yes poor horse I am sorry for Misty!! But look at the timeline and the facts.
The TRUTH. Want to know what REALLY happened in the Deborah Hatridge Dobbs/Horse Tongue/Sharon Jeffco case? Check it out here.....complete with documentation to BACK IT UP. http://www.doublejranchperformancehorses.com/ To the owner, if it were my horse I certainly wouldn't have been showing it in that condition just 10 days later,
That says a lot about how much you cared for your horse!! Show records tell the truth, the whole truth!!
:evil:

Read more: http://www.horseforum.com/horse-talk/sharon-jeffcos-side-story-truth-111909/#ixzz1lYWznMeM
 
#67 ·
Well now that I have officially read both sides of the story, I can make a valid conclusion correct?

I AM more on the trainers side and feel like the owner of the horse was just out to target her but I still honestly see some fault on both sides. I think it's really just an unfortunate incident that probably could have been prevented.

In my opinion, the horse never should have been brought in for training because I know that the owner was well aware of the injuries to her tongue. I can understand why the trainer wouldn't have seen the injuries right off the bat, if they were closed wounds, it's not like the horse sticks its tongue out every time you bit them, and from the pictures of the owner riding her horses, she DOES keep a really tight rein.

I said earlier, I think that the trainer was at fault as well, and I do, but if all of the accounts in her side of the story are true, then I think it could be chalked up to a "stupid mistake" on her part. I don't think she intentionally hurt this animal. The sad thing about that is, sometimes we have to take responsibility for our mistakes.

At the end of the day, I think the poor horse needs to be in the care of a completely different owner where she will receive some TLC!
 
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#68 ·
I'd have to agree...Thank you for being kind and not slamming my thoughts as others has!!

Trainer should have looked in the mouth, although she did feel something wasn't right thus why having the horse checked. I think sometimes "we" get so focus on task at hand <training a problem horse> we don't see there maybe be an underlining problem.

The WHOLE reason I got into it was the owners statements of "watching" and the photos, I've seen enough wounds to know they were old, could they have been done early at Sharons can't say but will say they didn't happen when the owner said .

And yes anyone who knows how to ride can see owner doesn't hold her hands on a good place.

The trainer did pay for vet and care but said adamantly it didn't happen on my watch. As a farm owner "I think" it shows she was willing to say "Wow what just happened!! I am willing to say I missed a very important detail!"

And last it hurt my heart to see the owner riding that horse just 10 days later . bit or no bit you can see the horse was very trim! if you've ever had a sore throat or pulled tooth you know that horse was still feeling the effects of them horrific wounds.

Praying for the horse as it is the one who needs it most!!

 
#70 ·
...And yes anyone who knows how to ride can see owner doesn't hold her hands on a good place...
Give me a break! I rode for 3 years before getting a single lesson, including multiple bolts on my mare, and I didn't cut my horses' mouths! You don't slice a horse's tongue like that by holding your hands in a not-good place! I have 3 bits, and none of them could cause an injury like that.
 
#69 · (Edited)
Here is how Sharon (the trainer) describes the experience of bridling the horse - in her OWN words:
"rearing up in aversion to SNAFFLE bit...remember how she fought and fought and fought and even flipped over! Remember how she would go up and I had to grab her neck just to stay on?"
Any trainer who encounters a horse that rears and flips over trying to avoid a snaffle that doesn't think to look in the horse's mouth is a damned idiot, or worse.

The first day I owned a horse, and I tried to bridle her and she tossed her head, I had enough sense - with ZERO previous experience - to look for signs of cuts or sores in her mouth! Since I hadn't bridled a horse in 30 years, I then asked an experienced friend for help - and her FIRST step was to look in the horse's mouth!

It isn't rocket science. My horse just tossed her head. I don't think she would have needed to rear up and flip herself over very many times before I would start wondering why she was so afraid of a bit...:evil::evil::evil::evil::evil::evil:
 
#71 ·
@ bsms nobody said she caused it due to her hands, I was replying to
"and from the pictures of the owner riding her horses, she DOES keep a really tight rein."
If you know how to ride / show you know her hands are way to high THAT was my reply , good grief don't make something out of a simple reply! I've met some very rude people here.
 
#72 ·
...If you know how to ride / show you know her hands are way to high THAT was my reply , good grief don't make something out of a simple reply! I've met some very rude people here.
Somehow, I didn't think the point of this thread was that some riders have their hands too high.

I know the idea that any reasonable bit would have caused that damage is ridiculous, no matter where the rider puts her hands. Just as ridiculous as the idea that a professional trainer who has a horse who rears and flips over avoiding a snaffle bit shouldn't think to check the horse's mouth.

I'll choose rude over defending a trainer who lets a horse get a tongue like that...
 
#77 · (Edited)
I don't blame the trainer at all for just giving up and paying restitution to the owner. When someone is trying to blame you and being that dramatic it is often easier to try and placate them and then fire them as a client. I find it highly disturbing that the owner went so far as to post addresses and contact information on this trainer. The lengths to which the owner are going to persecute the trainer is going too far, in my opinion, and leave the owner highly suspect.

IMO the owner is being a little too dramatic. I think she is lying. Yes the injuries are horrific- but they also don't look new to me. They look to me to be older injuries. The trainer may not have been able to explain herself very well (in my opinion) but then again- lots of people are great at their jobs but poor at communication.

I can also see how a trainer might get focused on fixing a problem as being "behavioral" and not think to look in the mouth. No one is perfect and everyone is human. This woman is a trainer not a vet. It would be easy to assume that the woman had the horse vet checked to make sure it was healthy and that the horse was receiving regular care. (That said- if the woman is as good as her reputation- it is partially the trainer's fault that she didn't think to check- but that is an honest mistake and she was clearly willing to pay for it.)

Also- it is easy to say now that everyone would think to look in the mouth. This entire thread is discussing serious injuries to a horse's tongue. I wonder how many people would think to look if the only discussion were about the rearing and backing away?

I don't think the trainer did anything deliberately to the horse. I think the owner is trying to get as much money as she can and do as much damage as possible to this woman's reputation as she can. I think that the trainer may have unintentionally caused pre-existing wounds in the mouth to bleed. That, and not thinking to check the mouth, should partially be at the feet of the trainer. IMO- those wounds look old to me- not fresh.

I believe the trainer completely and I think the owner is lying to the best of her ability. The trainer showed good faith IMO in offering to pay for the vet care of the horse- the owner has not and seems to be highly suspect.

No one spends THAT much time trying to persecute someone if they are telling the truth. They get a life and move on or focus their abilities in trying to recover (and in this case- heal the horse- not chase and stalk the poor trainer.)
 
#79 ·
It also doesn't help that because the matter was settled in another court the show really didn't cover a lot of the critical details. The woman didn't get a chance to defend herself and the only story we heard was the owner's (at least on Judge Judy.) IMO- while it is legally right it isn't really fair for the trainer.

I'm sure the only reason the trainer agreed to be on the show was a chance to let herself be heard- which she lost because she agreed to pay restitution in the other court.

If I were in the trainer's shoes I would be tempted to pay restitution too- this owner sounds mentally unstable.
 
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#80 · (Edited)
You are my Hero!!

You nailed it!! You have a gift of saying what I < as well as others> have wanted to say.

I think we all agree it was horrible for the horse, but the owner seems to have forgotten it as she took up her fight to slam Sharon.

I have to wonder has anyone noticed that Sharon has had 2 horses poisoned? This was proven with an autopsy. Again there are a lot of things about the owner that just don't add up.

I have never been good with saying what I mean, Thank you for doing it for me!!!


:D
 
#81 ·
I watched the episode the other night and the more I read into this, the more I believe the trainer and the less I believe the owner. Th fact that the owner has a past of doing things she shouldn't be doing is enough to make me suspicious, especially since she's the only one with firsthand experience with this trainer to say anything bad about her. Sure, we all say now we would look in a horses mouth if we had been in her situation, but seriously, what owner would watch their horse be beaten and not do anything about it? I think she's lying and being dramatic trying to get some money. for all we know, the lacerations could have been accidental by the owner, but she blamed the trainer. Something's fishy- especially if she took Misty to a show just ten days after the "incident". A horse owner that cares about their horse won't watch it be beaten or take it to a show with an extremely cut up mouth and while the horse was that skinny. If you look at the other pictures of her riding, she's not exactly easy on a horse's mouth.
 
#88 ·
This was the bit that was used; the tongue was not cut, it split from pressure.

This bit was a solid shank bit with a port that was filled in with metal with about 1/4 in gap between the metal and the roller. There was no brake in the bit like a snaffle would have. Dr. Liz said that because of the bit, her head being tied down and Sharon getting after her with the lunge whip that the pressure caused her tongue to split wide open.

 
#89 ·
This was the bit that was used; the tongue was not cut, it split from pressure.

This bit was a solid shank bit with a port that was filled in with metal with about 1/4 in gap between the metal and the roller. There was no brake in the bit like a snaffle would have. Dr. Liz said that because of the bit, her head being tied down and Sharon getting after her with the lunge whip that the pressure caused her tongue to split wide open.
And you know this how??? And your first statement "This waas bit that was used.... like you have a picture but didn't post it....

:?
 
#93 ·
How are threads about this incident still going on and on? What are you all accomplishing by arguing about it? Hasn't it been settled and done with for the trainer and owner? Yes. So let's move on to another topic..There isn't anything you can do or say to change anything so you're wasting your time arguing with a stranger over the internet..

Here's what I think..

The trainer could have handled the situation with the horse better, especially being a "professional"...She knew better.

The owner is an idiot that sat there and WATCHED this all happen to their horse and didn't STOP it. So..Why get mad when s/he SAW this happening to THEIR horse and didn't step in..Um hello..It's your horse..you can stop it.

Done - Both parties are very guilty IMHO. Each of them could have done something better to right the situation. Period. Now the only thing that suffered for no reason is the horse..

Now that it's over and done with people are still obsessing about it. Why? It's not your problem and all you're doing is upsetting your self. There is NO reason for all of this drama to continue about something that doesn't directly involve you and it's DONE between the parties who were involved...End of story.
 
#97 ·
You could have come up with something better than that :wink: Come on..It's the truth. I said my piece and I'm done with it. lol You can keep arguing to your heart's content for all I care...It's just NOT going to change anything, in any way..Get over it..
 
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