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    08-19-2010, 10:50 AM
  #11
Foal
I think as long as you are not making money off of it, it is not illegal. YOU took the picture, and its YOUR property. As long as you didnt trespass to get it, and you were on a public ground, you have rights to take pics. JMO
     
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    08-19-2010, 11:30 AM
  #12
Weanling
[QUOTE=Alwaysbehind;723704]This!

I can not comment if it is legal or not. But I do not think it is right.


Kind of like the OP saying she asks about taking photos of people's houses that interest her. Why is it less important to ask about taking photos of their other things that are located on their own private property?[/QUOTE]

Always behind- I don't think it is less important, per se.
I draw my own personal right/wrong boundary at depicting things that are readily identifiable. For instance, a horse in a paddock, in front of someone's barn- I'd ask permission. A horse in a great open pasture with no houses nearby (which is more of the norm where I live) I don't generally ask permission. If the horse was clearly branded, I'd probably seek permission before publisizing (sp?) a photo.
As well, if I were to take a particularly great photo that was worthy of selling as prints, or making into greeting cards, etc., I would definitely seek the permission of the owner of the horse, hayfield, or whatever. Even if I had to search for their house wherever it might be in proximity to their thousand acre pasture. . .
     
    08-19-2010, 11:37 AM
  #13
Banned
Payette, I think that is a great way to determine what is OK and what is not.

A plain chestnut that is not over distinguishing in a large open field with no landmarks to determine the identity of the horse, fine.

A uniquely marked paint with a very strange shaped tree behind it....not so much.
     
    08-19-2010, 12:11 PM
  #14
Trained
As long as you aren't trespassing, the address, farm name, license plate number, etc isn't screaming at you, I don't see a problem.

How is it that www.peopleofwalmart.com has been around so long? Wouldn't it have been shut down if the majority of people complained about the "wrongness" of it?

Although, oddly enough, you aren't allowed to take pictures in a grocery store, at least not at the one I work at. It's illegal. O_O
     
    08-19-2010, 12:40 PM
  #15
Banned
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Originally Posted by riccil0ve    
How is it that www.peopleofwalmart.com has been around so long? Wouldn't it have been shut down if the majority of people complained about the "wrongness" of it?
The same reason that Fugly does not get shut down even though the people whose photos are on there are not happy.

Legal and right are not always the same thing.
     
    08-19-2010, 11:18 PM
  #16
Foal
Quote:
Originally Posted by riccil0ve    
As long as you aren't trespassing, the address, farm name, license plate number, etc isn't screaming at you, I don't see a problem.

How is it that www.peopleofwalmart.com has been around so long? Wouldn't it have been shut down if the majority of people complained about the "wrongness" of it?

Although, oddly enough, you aren't allowed to take pictures in a grocery store, at least not at the one I work at. It's illegal. O_O
Yeah I don't see a problem either. There is also no real legal problem with taking pictures of anything on public property (I saw taking pictures of kids at a park being commented on in one of the threads on this issue, when there is no actual law against taking pictures of kids or anyone for that matter in a public park*).

*You do want to be mindful of the parents though. Because while not illegal, some might think it is weird.
     
    08-20-2010, 10:57 AM
  #17
Weanling
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Originally Posted by BigGreyHorse    
I don't know if it is legal but it isn't right IMO and probably not wise either.

Too many people these days have been targets of (possibly) well meaning crusaders. Over the years there have been enough photos & footage filmed of our farm to overloadl MGM's vault! Shearing sheep is abuse in case you didn't know. :roll: Just the sight of a camera-- inside or outside of our property lines-- gets me upset.

All that to say, you don't know what has happened previously and an innocent photo may turn into a really bad situation if your intentions are accidentally misinterpreted.
I agree. I think I'm kind of contradicting myself, but I think it is the best bet to ask permission first. Especially when it comes to my farm! I guess I have the biggest problem with people taking MY own photos and using them without my permission (you'd be surprised). All around, try to ask first the worst thing that could happen is they say "Absolutely not" in a tone that indicates bad experiences in the past swayed their decision.

But then, there is the stretching-it question of "What if the property isn't really identifying?" I suppose if I had 1000 acres, much of which was road-front pastures, as long as they didn't include my house/barn/identifying farm features, I wouldn't mind so long as the photog wasn't actually on my property and was being otherwise respectful. However, that's not the case in most places (especially around here). This reminds me of an instace when I was visiting France and drove by a beautiful mustard field: we stopped and hopped out to take a picture (in the ditch)... we were nearby a lonnnnnng driveway, but couldn't see the house. Wouldn't you know, the owners pulled in right as we were taking our pic (ourselves in the ditch in front of the seemingly miles of yellow field), and luckily they smiled and waved. I felt stupid, so I personally, wouldn't ever do that again...
     
    08-21-2010, 04:08 AM
  #18
Green Broke
Personally I wouldn't mind if someone took pictures of my horse and I don't know anyone who would.
     
    08-21-2010, 05:41 AM
  #19
Started
If I had a good reason to not want anybody taking pictures of my horses, I wouldn't put them in a pasture close to a public road, or I'd at least post a sign saying not to photograph them. If I had an extra good reason, I'd put them in a barn or somewhere tucked away and protected from the public eye. If I really, really had something serious going on, I'd probably keep them covered up (full flygear in the summer, sleazies and rugs through the rest of the year) or disguise distinguishable markings or buy only very unremarkable horses...maybe if someone had a hit out on me and I knew of some way to identify me by my horse, or perhaps if I were a horse theif

It's very silly to think that your horses are incapable of being photographed without your permission with drastic measures are not being taken to prevent them from being seen by anybody. Neither is your house or car or other animals...neither are you.
When it comes to posting a cute picture of a random horse in the middle of nowhere...I can't think of any valid reason to care (unless you would be in danger, in which case see above) except for just being sort of a wet blanket and saying "because he's mine". If your horse is in the view of the public eye, face it, anyone can see him. Who cares if it's through a photograph or in person, that horse is visible for complete strangers to look at all they want...even go home and update their blog about the silly horse they saw whilst out driving today, along with a very detailed description. Is that immoral too?

To the point, by all means, I'd be very pleasantly surprised to come across a photo someone took of my horse online, assuming the photo was, as described, taken from public property with no trespassing on private property and no one was claiming him as their own or publicly accusing me of poor care in an unjustified situation or, of course, making money off of it, or calling him butt-ugly (even then I'd just have my little feels hurt for him and agree that they were entitled to their own opinion, no real harm or fowl)
One of my favourite things to photograph these days is random cattle in the middle of nowhere. Honestly, I've usually been known to stop dead in the middle of the road, roll down the car window, and crank up the zoom. I've done the same with horses, though I usually get enough of a "fix" taking pictures of my own horses at home since I can get them to run around like wild things and pose for me
Now that I certainly wouldn't do with a stranger's horses!

Wow, kind of a novel....it's late, I ramble!
     
    08-21-2010, 09:58 AM
  #20
Weanling
I do,nt see anything wrong with it ,if you want to use the pics commercially it would be manners to ask permission for that
     

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