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post #21 of 62 Old 03-31-2012, 02:34 PM
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I kinda agree with Joe... down here in NC is pretty popular to share your land with your neighbors. Most of the farmers here are quite passive about letting us ride through their fields as long as we don't mess anything up and pick up after ourselves (which the entire horse community does from what I have seen). Several of my horse neighbors graciously let Indie and I wander through their wooded trails that they too painstakingly cut... but I've met up with them before and they say they love meeting other horse people out on the trails, it keeps them company and makes them feel appreciated for the lovely riding paths.

I suppose if I were you, I'd try to make friends with her.... but then it just strikes me as odd (from my background and standpoint) that someone with large trails would be so hesitant to share, does your neighbor have any of her own trails? I'd probably feel bad for her and be even more likely to share if she didn't have her own areas to enjoy the great outdoors from the back of a horse.

IMO though.
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This is not about being willing to share, or what that says about a person's character, this is about ASKING for and HAVING permission rather than assuming. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with someone wanting their private property (and, yes, I realize the OP does not own the property in question) to remain private or to be used only by those people that they choose to allow usage to. They idea that land owners are, in essence, obligated to allow any and every person who might wish to use their land to do so is just ridiculous. I have nothing against sharing property, I have no issue with using the land of others (we actually have worked very hard to build a network of properties we have been given permission to use - and are working on more at this time) - the issue comes with the difference between asking and assuming.
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This is not about being willing to share, or what that says about a person's character, this is about ASKING for and HAVING permission rather than assuming. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with someone wanting their private property (and, yes, I realize the OP does not own the property in question) to remain private or to be used only by those people that they choose to allow usage to. They idea that land owners are, in essence, obligated to allow any and every person who might wish to use their land to do so is just ridiculous. I have nothing against sharing property, I have no issue with using the land of others (we actually have worked very hard to build a network of properties we have been given permission to use - and are working on more at this time) - the issue comes with the difference between asking and assuming.
Yeah I understand. I never said anyone was obligated to share their property, I just said it was a little odd to hear considering my experiences. I'd still suggest actually talking to this lady, not sending the hubby out to do it and making the guy a middle man She seems like a very friendly sort of person who is a little lonely, maybe she came off the wrong way because she was eager to make a horsey friend, I've done that before and almost scared a few people off.
Just saying, she might not be so bad.
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post #24 of 62 Old 03-31-2012, 03:37 PM
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I think the idea that this a "southern" vs. "northern" thing is ridiculous.

I also suspect some, if not most, of the people, posting that this is okay *are not landowners themselves*

Ask permission first. Period. What on earth could be wrong with that?
Find out what trails to avoid, or where the landowner has seeded, what livestock they do not want you to disturb, if a gate has been left open so livestock can get to water or if you should close every gate you find.

I wouldn't deny permission to anyone who asked politely first without very good cause. And I wouldn't grant permission to anyone I caught on my land without asking first ever again.

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says something about alot of peoples character that this is even an issue. I guess its a southern thing. We dont have any kinda agreement. It wouldnt have even occurred to me to ask. We put up no tresspassing signs to keep the people from up North out, not our neighbors.
Dear Joe,
The property in question is located in Tennessee. I believe that Tennessee is further south than Virginia, right?

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I do NOT feel the need to defend myself, but I would like to point out that we have great working relationships with several other land owning neighbors. We are allowed to ride in certain hay fields in the off season, and on some lovely lake side trails during the summer months. Our closest neighbor also lets us ride around his plowed fields, which are great for warming up and cooling down. In exchange we give pony rides, garden veggies, and farm fresh eggs. Just because we are nice neighbors!! We are happy to have them here any time.

Also...If you don't have enough land to support your horses, that is not my fault. It is also not my fault if you do not have the respect to ask property owners before riding on their property. There is a driveway that she could have walked up if that was her intention.

And lastly, Sheesh! Has anyone's horse ever caught a viral infection? If so, then you understand the importance of knowing what horses come into close vicinity with yours.
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post #27 of 62 Old 03-31-2012, 04:12 PM
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Dear Joe,
The property in question is located in Tennessee. I believe that Tennessee is further south than Virginia, right?

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You may wanna check your geography,
And yep there are regional attitudes. You also seem to easily tell the difference in people from the south and people who have moved here recently. I wouldnt want strangers traipsing around but I dont consider my neighbors strangers. I see people calling for signs, shootings, and all kinds of nasty behavior to your neighbor. Guess that word means something different to me. Glad I dont live near you guys.
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Joe,

I just looked at a map and I'm pretty sure all of Tennessee is south of all of Virginia???

I also have to question if you're the person who put up pages of posts complaining about hunters and hunting season in your area this fall? Are those people your neighbors too? Or do the bus the hunters in from other areas?

I have very good relationships with my neighbors and have permission to ride on a lot of neighboring land. I believe that's based on my treating them with respect and how I would want to be treated; NOT assuming it's okay for me to ride on their land without asking first.

Back to the OP's initial inquiry, even if the neighbors did have permission to ride the trails, which they didn't, riding that close up to the house and basically snooping around is RUDE by most people's lights.
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I defend Roo's position. There is something called Courtesy ie. asking permission first to enter the property. Old saying to Assume makes an Ass of U and Me. A hunter entered my land without permission last fall. He was charged with trespass and paid a fine. He was heading back to the US and was stopped at the border. Now, had he come to the door and asked, it would have been a different matter. But he didn't so he paid the piper. If he commits trespass again in Ontario he won't get off lightly the second time.
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I personally think its a matter of respect and good manners to ask permission to ride on someone else's land, regardless of what part of the country you (or they) hail from. Private property is private property.

Not to mention the liability issues and health issues from close contact between horses.

Roos, I would just ask (or have your fiance or fiance's family) her to please respect your privacy and not ride on your land.

And I too am not so much a people person and leave conversations like that to my DH who is less of a people person than I am but is much more outspoken about such things.
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