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    01-23-2013, 01:53 PM
  #31
Weanling
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Originally Posted by themacpack    
What a cutie - a little fitness/muscling and he'll be even better, but his weight looks fine.
thanks I guess I need to learn also about working him out and how to build the muscle. Will just giving him muscle builder work? I know I need to work him out too but if the muscle builder will work fine I might try that
     
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    01-23-2013, 01:57 PM
  #32
Trained
He needs to physically work to build the muscle.

I can't remember from your previous threads, but what breed is he?
     
    01-23-2013, 02:46 PM
  #33
Weanling
Looks like a paint to me LOL
     
    01-23-2013, 02:53 PM
  #34
Trained
You can't use coloring to determine a horse's breed... many horses are tobiano but aren't paints...
     
    01-23-2013, 03:00 PM
  #35
Yearling
He still looks like he could be a little ribby to me (I see rib shadows I think) and his topline is pretty lacking which can mean he needs work and/or more protein in his diet IME, so the cubes may indeed help. 5 lbs of alfalfa is about 4-5K calories. An average horse not in work (depending on metabolism) needs about 15 to 20K just sitting around. You can do the math with what he is eating and see where you fall.
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You need to get your hands on him and logically score his body if you really care to know. Looks can be deceiving esp in the winter. Def needs muscling up. No question. Id use the body score system and see what I really had and go from there. Parts of him look good and parts look so so to me.
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    01-23-2013, 03:21 PM
  #36
Started
I think that he could use a little more weight on him, but he doesn't look bad. I would ad more hay to his diet.

As mentioned, if you are interested in switching up his feed I would suggest buying him a quality feed (Triple Crown, Buckeye, Tribute) and tossing out the sweet feed.

Alfalfa cubes are fine to feed. I have even used them as treats before. Try to, in the future, have a reason for changing a horses diet though

It wont hurt to give him this bag if you'd like to use them up or if you are set on keeping him on them. Alfalfa cubes can be fed dry or soaked but soaking them does two things 1) it prevents choking by making the cube easier to chew and 2) they soak up a ton of water so its a great way to get more water in him (which is NEVER a bad thing with horses) I feed them soaked. In a case like this I would probably feed 1 quart of cubes soaked in 1/2 gallon of water.

I wonder why on one side of him I don't see any ribs at all yet on the other I can see a few ribs.

Most likely due to the way he is standing when you look at him, muscling differences (horses always have a "good" side) OR just his different coat patterns and the way white vrs black hides things.

In this link, look at these horses. My horse gut is actually a little more full than these so I guess he's ok in that regard.

For future reference & for whatever its worth you CANNOT judge if a horse is under weight, at the proper weight or over weight by how "full" their gut appears. The weight that you are looking for is on his topline. Can you see ribs, can you feel ribs, how easily can you feel ribs, does his tail bone protrude or sit sunken in fat, hip bones etc. The size of a horse stomach will depend on just about every single factor OTHER than feed & weight. A horse in perfect weight and condition, well muscled and on a good work out will have a very nice tucked belly. That does not make that horse skinny. A horse of similar weight sitting in a field will have more of a gut, a broodmare can be thin with a huge belly, a malnourished horse can be thin with a big gut from improper feeding and or worms etc...

Take a look at this ponies tail head, hips, spine, ribs, withers and point of her shoulder, belly or no belly she is clearly thin.


Same mare 8 weeks later. Her belly actually went down and check the same weight points now...
     
    01-23-2013, 03:43 PM
  #37
Weanling
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Originally Posted by New_image    
I think that he could use a little more weight on him, but he doesn't look bad. I would ad more hay to his diet.

As mentioned, if you are interested in switching up his feed I would suggest buying him a quality feed (Triple Crown, Buckeye, Tribute) and tossing out the sweet feed.

Alfalfa cubes are fine to feed. I have even used them as treats before. Try to, in the future, have a reason for changing a horses diet though

It wont hurt to give him this bag if you'd like to use them up or if you are set on keeping him on them. Alfalfa cubes can be fed dry or soaked but soaking them does two things 1) it prevents choking by making the cube easier to chew and 2) they soak up a ton of water so its a great way to get more water in him (which is NEVER a bad thing with horses) I feed them soaked. In a case like this I would probably feed 1 quart of cubes soaked in 1/2 gallon of water.

I wonder why on one side of him I don't see any ribs at all yet on the other I can see a few ribs.

Most likely due to the way he is standing when you look at him, muscling differences (horses always have a "good" side) OR just his different coat patterns and the way white vrs black hides things.

In this link, look at these horses. My horse gut is actually a little more full than these so I guess he's ok in that regard.

For future reference & for whatever its worth you CANNOT judge if a horse is under weight, at the proper weight or over weight by how "full" their gut appears. The weight that you are looking for is on his topline. Can you see ribs, can you feel ribs, how easily can you feel ribs, does his tail bone protrude or sit sunken in fat, hip bones etc. The size of a horse stomach will depend on just about every single factor OTHER than feed & weight. A horse in perfect weight and condition, well muscled and on a good work out will have a very nice tucked belly. That does not make that horse skinny. A horse of similar weight sitting in a field will have more of a gut, a broodmare can be thin with a huge belly, a malnourished horse can be thin with a big gut from improper feeding and or worms etc...

Take a look at this ponies tail head, hips, spine, ribs, withers and point of her shoulder, belly or no belly she is clearly thin.


Same mare 8 weeks later. Her belly actually went down and check the same weight points now...
he is a paint quarter. I talked to a buddy of mine and we talked about his use of the cubes so since I have already bought them I will go ahead and use them. I will also talk to others and see their workout regiment and how it works for them as of what will work best for me and the time actually that I will have to spend working him out. And yes I have seen thin horses with pot bellies that looked funny lol and I certainly want mine to be well rounded with a nice gut, but not that large as to the horse in those first image, but the one in the 2nd is more of what I want
     
    01-23-2013, 04:02 PM
  #38
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by OneFastHorse    
Looks like a paint to me LOL
No - he looks like a pinto...and may certainly be a paint, but you can't tell that from the photo
     
    01-24-2013, 07:07 PM
  #39
Weanling
Talked to my uncle today and he has been in the horse business for over 35-40 yrs even though he recently just got back into owning them I would say maybe 2 yrs ago. He probably had been out of owning them for about 20 yrs. He also owns cattle. Talking to him he feeds 6 qts in the morning and 6 in the eve to each horse and he says as for hay when he fulls up their trough in the morning , they still have plenty hay left in the evening still. His trough is about the size of mine and from what he says, he gives probably about the same amount of hay as I do per day. When I fed my horse today and gave him another 3 qts of feed as I do in the morning, I notice that his belly was much more evenly proportioned and fuller on both sides.

So I might have to stick with that routine of a total of 6 qts of feed per day for mine vs the 4 1/2-5 that I normally give him. I also heard some on here say before that they feed about 2-4 qts of feed daily only but much , much more hay. I guess different methods for different people for different horses yield the results that will ultimately make the owner happy but ofcourse I want to make sure I'm doing reasonably the best for the horse overall also.
     
    01-24-2013, 07:40 PM
  #40
Green Broke
Slightly off topic....

Really look through the cubes you get at Tractor Supply. I have bought them on several occasions to feed between round bales. I have found baling twine, board splinters and various other items in the cubes. Not sure if they get them shipped from the same supplier no matter what store you buy them from, so it may not be an issue for you(I was in TX when using them) but look them over good before feeding.
     

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