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    03-06-2011, 09:58 AM
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Poop is prebios not salt

See my horses prove your theroy wrong because if I put any loose mineral out they eat it until it s gone .....and yes I have left it out thinking they would slow down and they are glutton's they eat until it is gone

Iam still digging what makes this one so tough is I remember finding it by accident that last time and I can't remember what I was searching
     
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    03-06-2011, 10:08 AM
  #42
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Originally Posted by Peggysue    
poop is prebios not salt

See my horses prove your theroy wrong because if I put any loose mineral out they eat it until it s gone .....and yes I have left it out thinking they would slow down and they are glutton's they eat until it is gone

Iam still digging what makes this one so tough is I remember finding it by accident that last time and I can't remember what I was searching
I've read that it's a salt deficiency. But either way my horse doesn't do it because he gets both. So that's good. ;) Plus - ew. Lol....

As for the loose minerals - that is exactly what is expected to happen - in horses that have a need, that is. Per the information I follow, you just have to trust the system. They may go through a lot at first but once they become balanced they will stop. If your horses are consuming vast quantities of high quality loose minerals without any delicious additives, it's because they need it. They will stop when they've had enough and use them in the future in small quantities to keep themselves balanced.

This is from the directions on the variety I use: When first introduced, the animals may consume as much as 8 ounces a day or more, but will slow consumption as they become balanced. Continued consumption of high amounts for more than 30 days signals the need for a feed analysis to balance the ration.
     
    03-06-2011, 10:20 AM
  #43
Foal
Granted, this is from the marketing materials of the product I use, but I find this logic to be pretty solid: "When left to roam freely, foragers will find plants that grow in calcium-rich soils and then travel miles in another direction to consume plants that are growing in a more phosphorus-rich area for the balance. Their natural instinct is to self-regulate."
     
    03-06-2011, 10:24 AM
  #44
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My four ate 50lbs in about three days!! They did this three times before I said screw it LOL had nothing to do with beed since I had blood, urine and hair samples ran :)

It's a marketing ploy to get you to buy thier stuff.... I am getting frusterated cause I can't find that research again
     
    03-06-2011, 10:29 AM
  #45
Foal
Agree to disagree. :)

Can I ask what brand of vite/mineral supplementation/ration balancer your horses get?

This may not apply in your case at all, but in my experience, horses like mine who are fairly balanced by the time the free-choice minerals are presented, (he'd been on his vitamin/mineral supplement for some time before I bought the free choice) do not go through the binge phase at all - he ignored them for weeks before using just a bit of one of the four choices, then nothing again for quite some time. He uses more when he's growing a new haircoat, etc - but the most he's ever used is one or two ounces - over a few days. But like I said- he never had a binge phase. That's been true of the other horses I've seen who are given the free choice minerals after a few months of already having been on a quality vitamin/mineral supplement - no binge phase. Whereas the horses in my barn who were started on a vitamin/mineral supplement AND given the free choice at the same time tend to binge until their systems get more in balance.
     
    03-06-2011, 10:48 AM
  #46
Foal
Oh and let my point out that my horse is definitely a bingey type - he's a voracious eater, has never turned down a supplement no matter what the taste, not fussy about water in new locations, doesn't even really spit out wormer. So he fits the profile of a horse that would go through a lot of something if he merely found it delicious as opposed to necessary.

Idk PeggySue - I'd be curious to know what brand and type of supplement they get regularly and what brand and type of free choice minerals you offered them. Because I do believe that horses self-regulate what they need, mineral wise, I am inclined to suspect the answer lies in there somewhere. I can't know without reading the labels but based on what you've said, I am wondering if your horses are somehow not getting the full benefit of the vitamin mineral supplement/ration balancer you are feeding, or if the free choice you offered somehow had something really tasty in it.
     
    03-06-2011, 10:53 AM
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When that happened they were on Buckeye and it was their supplement I put out ... almost $100 later I said screw it

I can now at least put out loose salt and they won't inhale it but that took over a year in the works to get there... they think if there is food in bowl, bucket or holder of any kind they should eat it

They are on Kent's Topline32 NOW I should probably try it again but too expensive to have them waste it like that LOL

I can put peppers in a bucket and they will eat them until they are gone. I can put horse poop in bucket and they will eat it until gone and they aren't hungry they have free choice hay plus fed twice daily they are just pigs
     
    03-06-2011, 10:53 AM
  #48
Foal
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Originally Posted by Peggysue    
my four ate 50lbs in about three days!! They did this three times before I said screw it LOL had nothing to do with beed since I had blood, urine and hair samples ran :)

Before or after they binged on the minerals?

Also - this is a question for my own use not pertaining to this debate (Which I definitely enjoy btw! Thank you for your side) - what do you ask for and how much do you pay when running samples? I very much want to do that but my vet said you have to test specifically for each nutrient and that it gets very expensive. She said a general blood panel will not specifically call out a deficit of specific nutrients. So I was a bit stymied by that.
     
    03-06-2011, 10:57 AM
  #49
Foal
Lol omg PeggySue - no wonder you stopped- $100 in such short order IS expensive. The brand I use, the starter pack costs $140 - two friends of mine and myself split it three ways for three horses almost a year ago. The only thing we've had to get more of is the trace mineral salt. I still have over half of my original supply left of the other three mineral choices. So this product is hardly a power-house profit wise for the supplement company.
     
    03-06-2011, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by TheGrassIsGreener    
Lol omg PeggySue - no wonder you stopped- $100 in such short order IS expensive. The brand I use, the starter pack costs $140 - two friends of mine and myself split it three ways for three horses almost a year ago. The only thing we've had to get more of is the trace mineral salt. I still have over half of my original supply left of the other three mineral choices. So this product is hardly a power-house profit wise for the supplement company.
I was looking mainly for the metals and Ca:P so if I remember right it was about $300 for all three to be tested.

Yeah I think my problem is that I have three super jealous horses and one that does what the other three are doing.. mine literally FOUGHT over the buckets...they were tested BEFORE I put it out and nothing was actually def a couple Z and copper were boarder line low but not actually def

And like you with the FIRST bag I thought they were balancing themselves and there was NO molasses in the supplement

Don't you hate when you KNOW you have found something before and can't find it again
     

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