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post #1 of 11 Old 10-29-2013, 07:55 PM Thread Starter
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Anyone care to critique my geldings feeding regime?

I am just wondering what y'all think about his feedig regime. I am trying to not "overload" him on supplements so please tell me your opinions.

Am-
1/2 pound Nutrena Empower Balance ration balancer
1 cup of Speedi Beet beet pulp
5g Probiotics
1 Tbsp salt

Pm-
1/2 pound Nutrena empower balance
1 cup of Speedi Beet
5g Probiotics
1 Tbsp salt

Now, he does have a history of colic which is why I have him on a daily probiotic and salt since he's not a great drinker. Also, I recently put him on the beet pulp because everyone is telling me it's "cheap Insurance" for colic since it's a good source of fiber and will help keep water in him. We will see how he does on it though since he's already a porker. I'm hoping that small amount won't make him gain weight.

I'm also going to be putting him on Adequan soon as his "joint supplement".

Any input is greatly appericiated. Thanks!
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I also forgot to add that my vet wants to put him on a "heaping" scoop of Thyro-L so he will also be on that soon
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Hi, I assume he doesn't need feed for calories, you're just feeding for nutrition? I would question that amount of salt is about all. While horses commonly do need extra salt, depending on what's in their pasture/diet, it's possible it's already too high. Too much sodium suppresses other nutrients too. So I'd want to know it was needed if I were to add it to the diet. Otherwise I just provide it free choice, separate to feed.

I have seen on here a number of people say they're feeding extra salt to make their horses drink more water, but so long as good water is available I don't know that 'not drinking enough' is a real problem - it certainly isn't IME - & if it is, I question whether ODing on sodium is really the best way to deal with it.
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.... second post better, this one posted itself o_O

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2 table spoons of salt a day is way too much. I add aproxx 1 tea spoon to my 3yr olds feed about 2-3 times a week, because I have never seen him on the mineral block that they have available.

How much hay does he get? How much does he work? What are the main ingredients to the empower feed and what the vet suggested? If he is prone to colic, I would avoid grain as much as possible - beat pulp, rice bran, sunflower meal etc.. oil, if want better nutrition and calories
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Thanks guys for your opinions. I had asked the vet how much to feed and that is what she told me. I'm wondering, though that since I have him on beet pulp and he's getting the extra water from there anyway is it even necessary to have him on the salt. Before putting him on it he never drank and I've noticed he's drinking a lot more since being on it but like Loosie said I do not want to over do him on it.

He is mostly prone to stress colic I believe. I know he coliced once at his old home because the older horse beat him up and wouldn't allow h in the shed. The it down poured and it went downhill from there. And he coliced when I first brought him home about 2 days later. Weird.

I'm not totally sure how much hay he gets now as he's out on 24/7 turnout. I'd say anywhere from 1 1/2 flakes to 3 flakes a day. Plus he's still on pasture with his muzzle so he's got a good amount Of pasture still. He's not being worked any right now going into the winter.

Here's the ingredients to the balancer-
Crude Protein 30.0%
Lysine 2.2%
Methionine 0.6%
Threonine 1.2%
Crude Fat 5.0%
Crude Fiber max. 8.0%
Dietary Starch* max. 8.0%
Sugar* max. 6.0%
Calcium 3.0% - 3.5%
Phosphorus 1.5%
Copper 250 ppm
Zinc 750 ppm
Selenium 2.5 ppm
Vitamin A 18,000 IU/lb
Vitamin D 1,800 IU/lb
Vitamin E 600 IU/lb
Biotin 1.5 mg/lb
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Thanks guys for your opinions. I had asked the vet how much to feed and that is what she told me. I'm wondering, though that since I have him on beet pulp and he's getting the extra water from there anyway is it even necessary to have him on the salt. Before putting him on it he never drank and I've noticed he's drinking a lot more since being on it but like Loosie said I do not want to over do him on it.

He is mostly prone to stress colic I believe. I know he coliced once at his old home because the older horse beat him up and wouldn't allow h in the shed. The it down poured and it went downhill from there. And he coliced when I first brought him home about 2 days later. Weird.

I'm not totally sure how much hay he gets now as he's out on 24/7 turnout. I'd say anywhere from 1 1/2 flakes to 3 flakes a day. Plus he's still on pasture with his muzzle so he's got a good amount Of pasture still. He's not being worked any right now going into the winter.

Here's the ingredients to the balancer-
Crude Protein 30.0%
Lysine 2.2%
Methionine 0.6%
Threonine 1.2%
Crude Fat 5.0%
Crude Fiber max. 8.0%
Dietary Starch* max. 8.0%
Sugar* max. 6.0%
Calcium 3.0% - 3.5%
Phosphorus 1.5%
Copper 250 ppm
Zinc 750 ppm
Selenium 2.5 ppm
Vitamin A 18,000 IU/lb
Vitamin D 1,800 IU/lb
Vitamin E 600 IU/lb
Biotin 1.5 mg/lb
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Sounds good. I would cut the salt down, and if he has 24/7 turnout and free choice hay he will be fine :)
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I'm hoping he doesn't gain weight from the beet pulp. Do you think that small amount would put on a lot of weight? He's a 14.2 1000# haflinger so I constantly struggle to keep him looking fit. I don't feed him for the calories. It's mostly to just keep him healthy and help his gut with the probiotic and beet pulp. Although, he could still stand to loose weight but going into winter it's harder.

How much should I cut the salt down to? Or should I cut it out completely? He rarely ever licks the salt block that I see and when he was stalled at night I had a himilayan salt lick in his stall and he killed it in a matter of two weeks. Needless to say he doesn't get anymore of those because he's totally in love with them. Although he will periodically lick his mineral block in his stall but he knows how to limit himself on that. He's just obsessed with the himilayan blocks
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Id would provide loose salt for him he might consume more that way. Then there is no need to put it in feed. Then he can decide how much he wants.
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Okay so if I put it in a bowl or bucket and leave free choice in his stall that will be okay? He's muzzled out on pasture so gettin to the salt might be a pain. So besides the salt, how does his diet look besides that?
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