Originally Posted by Blue Smoke
Thank you LHP! That does help a lot. I told them this testing was for horses and this is just what they sent me, meh. I am still waiting on micro minerals test to come back to give me a better idea of what I need to supplement, but my area tends to be fairly high in iron, and I believe low in Copper.
I use the slow feed net because my gelding has a tendency to gorge himself and cause heaves from not taking his head out of the bale. I'm in an area that rarely uses small squares so they are hard to find without driving a long distance, even though I prefer them. Both kept weight on nicely last winter except my gelding losing muscle mass along his topline. I am contemplating putting him on Triple Crown Senior this winter to hopefully help.
Do you think this feed will compliment my hay? What would you recommend I supplement with to fill any gaps in my hay? It is hard to find a feed that does not add iron (which I know can aggravate IR) I did not get the actual test done because my vet said it wasn't really needed, he suspects if he is he is only borderline IR but I still would prefer to feed him like he were.
You are correct, in that high iron equals low copper and low zinc.
While the TC Senior is not that bad in iron, keep in mind they have added iron so that brings the iron level higher than 175 ppm because there is naturally occurring iron in some of the other ingredients.
Also, the 4th named ingredient is cane molasses, along with soy hulls, soybean meal, soybean oil in there. "Soy Anything" is not good for metabolic horses
My non-metabolic Arab does fantastic on TC Senior but there is no way I would feed this to my IR horses
Kudos to your vet for wanting to feed your horse as if he's IR, even the blood tests show he isn't.
I can say from my experience and from what I've read on these forums that horses can have the early warning signs of IR, yet have blood tests come back normal for a couple years.
Feed white salt, as opposed to a mineral salt --- that has iron in it.
I have learned that feed stores in a large surrounding area (around me) all get their supplies from a gigundus warehouse called IVESCO.
IF your surrounding feed stores buy their products thru IVESCO, you have a lot of things available to you that your feed store isn't telling you about. They would have to special order things for you and most often the feed store owner is not willing to do that --- unless you put their feet to the fire and become insistent
Meaning--------------there are products out there safe for metabolic horses.
EquiPride is one. It is very expensive and really should be kept in temperature controlled conditions during the hot/humid months.
EquiPride is oat, corn AND soy-free. My horses weren't crazy about the taste but they ate it for about three years and finally refused to eat it no matter what I mixed with it.
McCauley's M-10 Balancer is also oat, corn, soy-free and low in iron. It's about 1/3 the cost of EquiPride but requires 16 ounces daily, as opposed to EquiPride requiring ten ounces daily. McCauley'sŪ M10 Balancer
I am currently feeding the M-10 to two horses - one of whom have been formally diagnosed with IR. The second has early signs but his blood tests show he's normal.
You could also consider a concentrated vit/min supplement that is low in iron, and mix it with timothy pellets or soaked timothy cubes.
We have been taught to think our horse isn't getting enough of anything if we can't fill up a coffee can.
In this day and age, there are quite a few quality, concentrated supplements, that only require the horse be fed 1 - 2 ounces daily. Just have to read the labels carefully and also make sure there are no unnecessary fillers in the product that would dilute it
You might try feeding your "I think I'm starving" horse Remission by AniMed. Valley Vet carries it or that's another product your local feed store can get thru IVESCO -- if they use that warehouse.
Remission is not expensive and might help put his appetite back in control by regulating his insulin. MagRestore is magnesium malate but more expensive and more of it absorbs into the system. Successful use of these products depends on the horse. I would start with the least expensive first
Lastly, if your horse has lost muscle mass, some horses with metabolic issues can. One of mine did that. He is in his 20's so I feed him several pounds daily of well soaked timothy/alfalfa cubes; it has helped a lot. He is also on 23 acres of good sized Tennessee hills, 8 - 10 hours daily, which helps him maintain condition a lot better than if I tried to hand exercise him. He also lost a lot of weight and went from an air fern to a hard keeper.
Hope this helps more than it's confused you -- I skipped around quite a bit