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    04-02-2012, 04:28 PM
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Foal
Question Barn Switched Feeds...Need Advice Please

The barn where I board switched feeds not too long ago without any notice or reasoning. Some of the horses have been switched to a cheap pellet (mine falling in this category) and the others have been switched to a higher range, from what I can tell, feed (this feed has caused board to increase in price even with my horses not being fed this feed, lovely isn't it?). I'm not very knowledgeable in this area, though I'm trying to learn, and would love some advice on the quality of the feeds in general, what I should look for, and which one seems to be right for my horses.

That being said, here's a brief description of my horses.

-My APHA mare just turned 16 and is at a good weight and in shape. She's currently being leased and shown and has a decently high activity level/work routine. In perfect health.

-My AQHA gelding is 21 and I'm currently trying to get him back in shape, build muscle slowly, and maybe lose a couple pounds lol. Working him 2-3 times a week. He's in perfect health in all ways except for some thrush that I've been battling.

I'll attach both of the feed tags, hopefully they are clear enough to be read. My horses are currently on the Carney's feed. Please let me know if you need any more information and what you think. Thanks!
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    04-03-2012, 01:16 PM
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What feed we're they previously on?
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    04-03-2012, 07:13 PM
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Foal
I don't have a feed tag for the one they were fed previously, and I can't remember the exact name. They had been fed it for years and did well on it so I never really questioned it. And at that time all of the horses in the barn were fed the same. It was definitely more similar to the Tribute though when looking at it. My gelding isn't crazy about the new pellets, and I'm wondering if this diet may be too high in NSC for him and, at least in part, contributing to his thrush problem.

Another couple things I thought I'd mention is that I looked at the feeding chart at the barn last night and the barn owner is feeding all of her horses (with the exception of her two retired 30 year old mares) the Tribute and only a handful of the boarders the Tribute. So board was increased largely just to feed her 10+ horses the higher priced feed. Also, I know hay plays a huge role in their diet. But I can't really tell you much about the hay, she changes types and suppliers all the time. Mostly though it is a grass hay of some sort, a lot of the time very green and with lots of foliage/thorns/etc... mixed throughout. My gelding is also pretty picky about this hay and picks through it. My mare will eat anything and everything.
     
    04-03-2012, 09:13 PM
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I can't say as I would be happy with the new arrangement. I would even go as far as asking if feed is increasing board if you can have the feed amount reduced from your board and provide a feed you are happy with. If that's not possible I'd make sure my horses were getting the better feed if I were paying the higher price. Feed in general has gone up, and honestly I've had to move to a cheaper feed myself, but I'm making decisions for my own horses, and the feed is still a very good one. Without knowing what they were on before we can't tell you which is more like it.
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    04-03-2012, 09:36 PM
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Neither feed is "good" as both are based with grain products. Does your boarding stable allow you to separately purchase your own feed? That is what I have always done and it works out well for my horses as they all have specifically balanced diets independent from the other boarders.
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    04-04-2012, 02:22 PM
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Thanks again everyone for your replies. I wasn't asking which feed was more like their previous feed, obviously since I don't have the information for that feed. I was just asking which feed seemed better and better suited to my horses' needs.

As for reducing the board and getting my own feed, nothing like that has ever been mentioned at my barn. Own supplements, etc.. yes, but feed no. I have a feeling the barn owner wouldn't take well to that idea. She likes being the resident "expert" and no one should question her - is the attitude she generally puts off, like everyone else is an idiot. But if the more research I put into this really determines that this is a bad decision, then I may have to consider doing that.
     
    04-08-2012, 03:27 AM
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Foal
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Originally Posted by SugarNSpice    
I don't have a feed tag for the one they were fed previously, and I can't remember the exact name. They had been fed it for years and did well on it so I never really questioned it. And at that time all of the horses in the barn were fed the same. It was definitely more similar to the Tribute though when looking at it. My gelding isn't crazy about the new pellets, and I'm wondering if this diet may be too high in NSC for him and, at least in part, contributing to his thrush problem.

Another couple things I thought I'd mention is that I looked at the feeding chart at the barn last night and the barn owner is feeding all of her horses (with the exception of her two retired 30 year old mares) the Tribute and only a handful of the boarders the Tribute. So board was increased largely just to feed her 10+ horses the higher priced feed. Also, I know hay plays a huge role in their diet. But I can't really tell you much about the hay, she changes types and suppliers all the time. Mostly though it is a grass hay of some sort, a lot of the time very green and with lots of foliage/thorns/etc... mixed throughout. My gelding is also pretty picky about this hay and picks through it. My mare will eat anything and everything.
As a BO (Still not used to that acronym : ), I feel that is wrong on more than one level.
If there is a board increase to everyone, with no benefits, fine (Due to hay price, waste disposal, increases and other business costs), fine.
If there is a board increase across the board and any benefits, are only given to "preferred" boarders, that is wrong, IMO.
If at some point, you will benefit, wait it out, but put a time limit on the wait.

I would also suggest looking into other facilities.
     
    04-08-2012, 03:55 AM
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Green Broke
The Tribute feed sounds better because the tag lists actual ingredients and throws around terms such as "high fat," "calm performer," etc. But it is still just a sweet feed according to the tag.

From what I can see on the nutritional analysis, both feeds are actually pretty darn similar- the same amount of protein, similar amounts of fat, fiber, etc.

But I can understand why you are upset. I would be too. I would want my horse to have the better feed if I was paying the same amount of board as others who were on the "better" feed.

But looking at the analysis, at least the first few ingredients, they seem pretty similar. The "good" one is a sweet feed according to the tag. I assume the cheaper one is too?

I personally would talk to the BO and see if you can get your horses on the "better" feed.

Incidentally, Purina, whom I've used and consider a good feed, lists "grain by products" on their lists of ingredients too. They say it is so they can be flexible with ingredients to get the appropriate nutritional content in each batch of feed. Because not all ingredients will have the same nutrients from batch to batch or something like that. (Yeah, I've been to a couple of Purina horse owner's workshops, ha ha!)
     
    04-08-2012, 04:02 AM
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Green Broke
PS. I've been trying to squint and read the tags. The Tribute feed has a higher in vitamin content and contains more omega fats. So in a sense it is richer feed. It might be higher in sugar too, since it is a sweet feed. (I'm not sure if the first feed is or is not. That part of the tag is too blurry for me to see.)

I noticed at the bottom of the tag on the Carney feed it is also made by Kalm something or other, so maybe they are different grades of feed from the same manufacturer?

Anyway, I always try to be an advocate for my horses, so if you think they would do better on the Tribute feed, see if you can arrange that for them.
     
    04-09-2012, 03:47 PM
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Foal
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Originally Posted by CodeMonk    
As a BO (Still not used to that acronym : ), I feel that is wrong on more than one level.
If there is a board increase to everyone, with no benefits, fine (Due to hay price, waste disposal, increases and other business costs), fine.
If there is a board increase across the board and any benefits, are only given to "preferred" boarders, that is wrong, IMO.
If at some point, you will benefit, wait it out, but put a time limit on the wait.

I would also suggest looking into other facilities.

Thanks for your post, I can't get used to saying BO either lol. Part of me definitely wants too look into moving, and part of me is so comfortable being at this barn that I'm scared to leave. But everything here is going downhill and I'm most likely going to have to at some point in the near future. The BO definitely doesn't like her decisions or opinions being questioned, she thinks she knows it all. And I respect that she does have all of her 30+ years of experience and has become somewhat of a family friend over the last 11 years I've been at this barn, but I don't think that she has the right to treat me (or any of the other boarders) as inferior to her and make decisions for us (and try to rip us off) because of that.

That being said, I'm trying to do this as delicately as possible and also be completely prepared with anything she might say. Researching like crazy, cross referencing, and of course coming on here just to get other horse people's opinions. That way I can come at her with specific reasons and questions about the feeds without her just writing me off as an idiot because I'm not as experienced in this area as she is (which is a feeling I get from her a lot). I feel she has definitely gone about all of this the wrong way and been very unprofessional.
     

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