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  • How many calories are in a pound of calf manna
  • Are cool calories a waste of money

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    01-28-2014, 11:30 AM
  #11
Weanling
You should probably get a fecal exam to see what kinds of worms she has, if any. That way you know what you're fighting so you can use a dewormer that works on those specific worms. :)

Good luck! She is cute.
     
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    01-28-2014, 11:43 AM
  #12
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I would worm her again because she might not have taken in enough of whatever she was given and unless you know what was used and what sort of a worm problem she has you're in the dark. If you don't want to spend out on a fecal egg count and blood tests (encysted and tapeworms) you probably should worm her 4 times a year using a different active ingredient each time so you are at least targeting all possibilities. Ask the woman what she gave her and do her now with a different wormer to whatever she used
I would allow her access to good hay 24/7 until she has some decent grazing again
I wouldn't waste money on Cool Calories - better to increase whatever it is you're going to feed her on, most of these senior feeds are already high fat - if you want to add oils there are cheaper options. I use Wheat Germ Oil that I get from Tractor Supply - its got added Vitamins A, D & E.
Sugar Beet is a cheap but effective way to put weight on a horse
I would check through all the different feed specs - I think the Triple Crown senior has more fat in it that the Purina or the Sentinel
     
    01-28-2014, 11:50 AM
  #13
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If I were you, I wouldn't bother spending my money on Cool Calories. It's just vegetable oil that has been hydrogenated so that it stays in solid form and artificially flavored. It has the exact same caloric and nutritional profile as if you were to feed something like straight vegetable oil, but it's way way more expensive (and in my personal opinion, less "natural").

I feed my horses canola oil when they need an extra kick of calories. I buy big gallon containers from the grocery store, screw on a 1 oz pump like so: One Ounce Dispensing Pump | KV Supply, and feed anywhere from about 4 to 8 ounces per day to the horses I really want to start seeing a difference in. I find that it's easiest to add it to partially soaked beet pulp or alfalfa pellets so that it is absorbed and doesn't sit on the bottom of their feed pan.

Here's a cost analysis:

Canola oil costs me roughly $0.07 per ounce. If I feed my horse 8 oz (a pretty generous amount), it costs me about $0.56 per day, or $16.80 per month

Going by Horse.com, Cool Calories costs about $0.20 per ounce (if you purchase the 8 lb bag). If I were to feed that same 8 oz per day, I would be paying $1.60 per day, or $48.00 per month!

I also agree that Triple Crown Senior is a fantastic product which is far higher quality than several of the other senior feeds that I have seen.
     
    01-28-2014, 12:48 PM
  #14
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I think she looks better. Its hard to see it when you're with the horse every day, but she just looks healthier all around, even if she is still quite thin. Don't trust your weight tape, mine told me that my filly was 650 lbs, but when I went to the vet with her for some dental work two weeks later, they weighed her at 745! She was 14hh as well, but further along in her rehab than your gal.

I think you can safely add the BP in now though, just soak it well. Start like you did with the grain- a handful at a time.
     
    01-28-2014, 01:01 PM
  #15
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All those add on are costing you $$. It's always cheapest to up the hay. I keep hearing that BP is cheap but it isn't. # for # it has the same calories as grass hay. At $14 a bag, that's $560 a ton. Who pays that for grass hay? Same with alfalfa pellets. What are you paying for a bag of pellets VS a bale of hay? If it's the same or less for the bale (same 50# weight calculation) go with the bale. It will be better quality. Instead of adding 4# of pellets or BP, adding 4# of hay which will have the same calories will cost you about 1/3. Concentrates do have a place when that's the only way to get additional calories or nutrients into them but they are never the end all. Cool Calories are a terribly expensive way to get fat into her. Oil has the same calories as CC at a fraction of the cost.

Start with what you have to budget for feeding her. Your add ons can escalate to $100 a month easily if you don't choose wisely.
     
    01-28-2014, 05:21 PM
  #16
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How much hay would you have to feed to get the same amount of calories as you get from 1lb of beet pulp? I get 800 to 900 calories per lb in hay from the chart on Dr Beth Valentines website
I found one website that gave over 5000 calories per lb for dried beet pulp
I'm interested to know if anyone can find any other figures
     
    01-28-2014, 07:47 PM
  #17
Trained
Equi-analytical.com has beet pulp, dry, at 1200 calories per lb, and I remember seeing it right there with oats, energy-wise, in several nutrition books, at 1200 calories. And yes, grass hay 800-900, alfalfa hay 1000-1100
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    01-28-2014, 08:05 PM
  #18
Foal
I feel better about this since posting, when she first got here you could see her ribs and feel them, her one last rib bumped out, her hips where very sharp and bare, her spine was just bone, now her ribs are filled in, her hips are better but need more help, her over all body weight is better, we are not 100% but I see Improvement...but when I used the weight tape I was heart broke. Now I know they are not as reliable as I first thought...


I think I will start adding beet pulp and just finish out the cool calories but not buy it again...as for prices of feed this is what I can get...


Alfalfa hay around $24-$32 dollars a bale
Peanut hay $13.95 a bale
Mini cube alfalfa $13.95 40 pound bag
Beet pulp shreds $14 50 pounds


Those are the prices that I can remember off the top of my head.
     
    01-29-2014, 12:40 PM
  #19
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Originally Posted by jaydee    
I found one website that gave over 5000 calories per lb for dried beet pulp
I don't know where that # came from but it might be for a gallon (dry) measurement. Fat (oils) are the most calorie dense food out there at 4000 cals (4 mCal) per pound.
     
    01-29-2014, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by homesteadhorses    


Alfalfa hay around $24-$32 dollars a bale
Peanut hay $13.95 a bale
Mini cube alfalfa $13.95 40 pound bag
Beet pulp shreds $14 50 pounds

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So what does all this mean? Lets compare apples to apples.

BP is costing you $560/ton. 1 Mcal (1 Mcal/#) costs you $0.28
Alfalfa cubes cost you $697.50/ton. 1 Mcal (1.1 Mcal/#) costs you $0.35
Alfala hay at $32/bale means nothing to me because I don't know the weight of the bale. Lets assume it's a 3 string #120 bale. The hay costs you $533/ton. 1 Mcal costs you $0.24
Peanut hay (excellent legume forage in the south. Comparable to alfalfa) Again no clue to bale size. Lets call it a #65 2 string bale. The hay costs you $418.50/ton or $0.19 per Mcal.
Grass hay at $175/ton (don't know your market but that's mine recently) at .8 Mcal/# costs you $.11.
Senior feeds typically have 1.6 Mcal/#. At $32 (or more) for a 50# bag 1 Mcal costs $0.40
Costco canola oil is $10 for 1.25 gal (20 cups) 1 C oil (1/2#) has 2 Mcal. Each Mcal cost $0.25.

Choose wisely.
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