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    01-29-2014, 04:41 PM
  #21
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Originally Posted by Left Hand Percherons    
I don't know where that # came from but it might be for a gallon (dry) measurement. Fat (oils) are the most calorie dense food out there at 4000 cals (4 mCal) per pound.
I could only find one website that gave a calorific value (which I now can't find so can't link) but it gave it in kg. Which I converted to pounds so not a US site
I thought it sounded high which was why I asked if anyone knew - deserthorsewoman kindly replied
Hay prices seem to differ from place to place and here in CT its sold by the bale even when you buy in a large quantity - and I've bought from 3 different main suppliers now
Its hard to know how many square bales are in a ton because they all differ in size but if you go from anything between 33 and 50 bales in a ton it costs me between $350 to $231 based on $7 a square bale for reasonable quality hay that they'll eat and not trash around the field or stable
     
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    01-29-2014, 06:55 PM
  #22
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If it's a European site, the energy is expressed in joules not calories. One calorie is approximately 4 joules which still doesn't add up because 1 kg of BP would be closer to 9000 joules (9 Mjoules).
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    01-29-2014, 07:44 PM
  #23
Foal
Am going to keep doing what am doing, but when I give her her 1 pound of soaked cubes I got some beet pulp, how much should I work her up too daily?
     
    01-29-2014, 11:17 PM
  #24
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Originally Posted by Left Hand Percherons    
If it's a European site, the energy is expressed in joules not calories. One calorie is approximately 4 joules which still doesn't add up because 1 kg of BP would be closer to 9000 joules (9 Mjoules).
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It was written in English so I assume it was a UK site - and we still measure in calories where food energy is concerned.
Not that its relevant in this case but in nutritional calories 1 calorie = 4186.8 joules as 1 food calorie = 1000 chemistry calories
I already said that I didn't trust the amount given - deserthorsewoman's is far more accurate and in line with some others I've now found
OP - as with anything new introduce slowly and build up to the recommended daily amount
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    01-30-2014, 10:57 PM
  #25
Foal
Just for info, my beloved old mare lived to 27 and was in wonderful condition till just before she died. At about 23, I had to start feeding her beet pulp -- about 1 coffee can each day, which I soaked in warm water with some alfalfa pellets so she would like it. I divided that amount into 2 feedings. Before starting the beet pulp I just could not keep the weight on her. Her teeth were really worn down. She was getting all of her food down, it seemed, but not chewing it well enough. In my opinion that beet pulp was better than any senior feed or anything else I tried for getting her into top condition. Before that I just could not keep the weight on her and she was slowly starving. Believe me, I loved that horse and spent a lot of $$ on the best of feeds, but it was the beet pulp that did the trick for me anyway. You might have to be careful with grass hay too, because if they can't chew it well, it can get into sort of long strings in their intestines -- bad news. I always gave my old mare chopped hay or alfalfa leaves. It is a labor of love to take care of a senior horse, but it can be done. So far, I think you are doing well with soaking the hay, feeding supplements and adding beet pulp. If you give free choice hay, maybe give chopped or leafy hay until you can see the vet and be sure she has no chewing issues.
     
    01-30-2014, 11:11 PM
  #26
Green Broke
I would have the dentist out ASAP (and vet if they haven't already)

Just because it's not obvious her teeth need to be done doesn't mean they don't! We had an old horse we thought was done recently and he seemed completely fine aside from the fact he was dropping weight rapidly, no obvious teeth issues. We couldn't figure out the issue then decided to check the records and it had been longer than we thought. We had his teeth done and the dentist said he was missing a lot and to start soaking his feed. He got buckets of mush and was looking FANTASTIC (unfortunately died of heart issues due to old age several months later).

Even if her feed is soaked she may have points that make it uncomfortable or something. I would not wait. Also, once the basics are covered it does take time. She isn't skin and bones, stop stressing and feed feed feed. Give her a month or two unless you notice anything bad. A watched pot never boils :)

Agree weight tapes are awful.

Vet/dentist, food, wait. The vet can also advise on feed.
     
    02-03-2014, 01:18 PM
  #27
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Endiku    
I think she looks better. Its hard to see it when you're with the horse every day, but she just looks healthier all around, even if she is still quite thin. Don't trust your weight tape, mine told me that my filly was 650 lbs, but when I went to the vet with her for some dental work two weeks later, they weighed her at 745! She was 14hh as well, but further along in her rehab than your gal.

I think you can safely add the BP in now though, just soak it well. Start like you did with the grain- a handful at a time.
No you sure can't trust the weight tape. A fraction of an inch difference in the places you tape can show a huge difference on the say day!

I thought one of mine, fourteen hands weighed about eight hundred.
Vet scale said 984!! Way too heavy for her.
     
    02-03-2014, 01:57 PM
  #28
Green Broke
^Which is why I don't go by numbers. Go by the horses weight. Hands on exam. I have a weight tape. I never use it to decide whether my horse is overweight underweight. It's just a number.

My sister and I are the exact same height, we will never be the exact same weight. We just have different builds. If someone said "you're both 5'3", you should both be 120lbs give or take no more than 5 lbs" I'd think that person was nuts. Same thing with horses.

Some 14 hh horses will be a comfortable 800 some will be a comfortable 950, it's all about the individual horse. Look at the body not the number!!
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