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Do My Horses Need Both of These Vitamin/Minerals

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    04-10-2013, 04:19 PM
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Weanling
Do My Horses Need Both of These Vitamin/Minerals

I had been using High Point Grass Multi-Vitamin, and my farrier suggested I add ADM Minerals. They seem like they might be redundant. When you compare both ingredients, do you think they are both necessary?

HorseTech High Point-Grass/Mixed Hay Daily Vitamin/Mineral

http://www.admani.com/horse/Products...20Minerals.htm
     
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    04-10-2013, 05:16 PM
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Started
I'm not going to open those attachments because I'd forget what one said and I'd have to keep going back and forth...

I am not a fan of doubling up on ingredients, if using both of these products would do that. It's easy to get sucked into supplements. We think we are helping when that may not be the case at all. We feed a vitamin and a joint supplement because our horses are in their teens and above. I would only feed more if there was a deficiency or if it was recommended by the vet.
     
    04-10-2013, 06:13 PM
  #3
Green Broke
The HorseTech vitamins look much more complete than the ADM minerals IMO. I don't see anything in the ADM minerals that the HorseTech isn't already covering sufficiently unless you have a severe deficit of copper or zinc in your area.
     
    04-10-2013, 09:13 PM
  #4
Weanling
Thanks, that's what I was beginning to think too.
     
    04-10-2013, 09:41 PM
  #5
Started
IMO, the ADM is a superior product. The values are higher on the important vitamins and minerals. ADM does not list the values on 21 vitamins and minerals as they consider it "proprietary information" but it does have all the B vitamins, Mg, Mn, I, Fe plus others. The differences? The first product has an added protein. On a 3 oz portion it's insignificant (6 gms of protein). It also has an added probiotic, again insignificant in the amount fed. In the ADM, Ca is 2X, Vit A is 2X and if you read all the "my horse has RR post, you understand the importance of these nutrients. The biggest reason to feed it is cost. A 3 oz portion of the High Point is going to cost you $0.745/day or $22.35/month. A 3 oz portion of the ADM will cost $0.188/day or $5.64/month for basically the same stuff. You don't need both
     
    04-11-2013, 07:15 AM
  #6
Weanling
Thank you for your analysis, Left Hand Percherons. That's why I posted this- to see if someone else noticed something that I didn't.
     
    04-11-2013, 10:08 AM
  #7
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Left Hand Percherons    
ADM does not list the values on 21 vitamins and minerals as they consider it "proprietary information"
As a side note, I really hate when companies do this. If they're selling something as a vitamin/mineral supplement, they should be supplying the consumer with the information to make an informed decision, not forcing them to just "trust" that certain items are present and in sufficient quantity. I've seen enough supplements that DON'T provide enough of various nutrients that I can't simply go on trust.

I also hate to see supplements that are a large percentage salt. Salt is easy and cheap to make available separately and is the only mineral that studies have shown horses to self-regulate. If they need salt, they'll eat it.

/end rant
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    04-11-2013, 12:23 PM
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I think ADM does themselves a huge disservice by not providing an analysis of every nutrient in the GroStrong product line. If you just look at the listed guarantee, than you would think that there are only 8 vitamins and minerals in their product. Who bothers to read the ingredient list and fine print the first time through? How many people pass on the product because it doesn't appear to be complete? If anyone wanted to figure out their proprietary formula, you can take a sample of the product to any lab and have it analysed for less than $50 to tell you what's in it.

You really can't get away from added salt in these products. It makes the product more palatable and free flowing. I would limit the salt content to 25% when shopping for a product. Don't pay extra for the freight of shipping in salt. Even if you were to factor out the salt in the Grostrong, you are only paying $6.50/month.
     
    04-12-2013, 02:49 AM
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Trained
I too haven't looked at the specific products - & sounds like there's no point if ADM don't give an analysis anyway. But it depends on what's in the horse's diet elsewise for a start, as to what/how much of specific nutrients may be required. Also the form, horse's condition, etc. For eg. I feed 2 different supps to my horses - a powdered one that would balance their diet perfectly if fed alone.... but they get enough without added calories & won't eat the powder straight. It's also expensive. So I combine that with a good quality low dose pelleted 'ration balancer', so I give them a little of each - the powder goes down with only a handful of RB & gives them a well balanced diet to compliment the hay/grass they have.
     

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