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    05-15-2013, 04:52 PM
  #11
Trained
I'd up the alfalfa. Grass hay 900 calories/lb, alfalfa 1120
Alfalfa is also the forage lowest in sugar.
Magnesium was mentioned. Definitely helps with muscles and nerves.
Flaxseed or any of the Omega supplements adds fat/ calories( I'm quite happy with Omega Horseshine, amazing results for general bloom).
     
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    05-15-2013, 05:30 PM
  #12
Green Broke
I'd lean towards more alfalfa and/or flaxseed as well.

Alfalfa, as deserthorsewoman mentioned, is low NSC and high in calories.

Flaxseed is 40% fat, most of which is omega-3 (the good omega ) Since your horse has limited fresh grass (where horses get most of their omega-3 naturally), I'd keep towards things like this which are high in omega-3.

Rice bran, which is 20% fat, is good for putting on weight, but is a little high in NSC at ~21% and since your horse seems especially sensitive to sugar/starch I'd avoid it. (On a side note, has she been tested for any disorders other than PSSM?) It's also not great in terms of omega-3 to omega-6 ratio.

Oil can be a good choice, but ideally you'd feed flaxseed oil for the omega-3's and that can be very pricey. Canola oil is the cheapest, easiest to find oil with OK omega balance (still higher in o-6 than o-3, though) if you want to give oil a try. Some horses object to the texture, in which case mixing it into a mash might help- if you currently soak the alfalfa pellets you could add it to that.
     
    05-16-2013, 12:50 PM
  #13
Started
You are limited with what you can use. Any soaked beet pulp or pellets or oil will not work because someone else is feeding for you and to be assured that it is being done, it has to be easy. That leaves you with dried products. I wouldn't use rice bran simply for the slightly high NSC levels. That leaves you with flaxseed, dried fat products like Cool Calories 100 or fat supplement feeds like Amplify or Empower. I would go with the flaxseed for a couple of reasons. First off it has virtually 0% NSC, it is high in Omega 3 FA and for a horse working hard that's never a bad thing to add, simplicity (just grind it once a week and add it to your bags of premade feed) and cost. One 50# bag of flax will last you 3-6 months. You will see results with about 4 oz (one tuna fish can) a day. If she's fed supplement twice a day, double it up to 8 oz. A 4 oz portion will cost about $.20 while some of the other dried products will run $.75+ for the same calories.
     
    05-16-2013, 02:14 PM
  #14
Trained
Unfortunately ground flax goes rancid quickly in summer.
I grind mine fresh right before feeding. In the OP's case feeding either the whole seed( lots of arguments about digestibility) or get a flax-based supplement, like the mentioned Omega Horseshine or such.
Amplify( 2000 calories and 17.5% NSC) or Ultium(1900 calories, 15%NSC) are also a possibility.
     
    05-16-2013, 02:24 PM
  #15
Weanling
My trainer/b.o. Wants me to try oil. She thinks that would be most effective, and require the morning feeder to do the least. She or I make the grain for everyone at night so I can go ahead and poor the oil over her grain before I leave every night. How much oil do you use? I need to see about the availability of Flax Seed oil around here...without going to the co-op.
     
    05-17-2013, 12:18 PM
  #16
Started
The drawback of going with the oil is price. Oil is going to run $.50-$1 per OUNCE. You'll feed at least 2 oz a day for coat and skin improvements and 4 oz or more (that's only 1/2C) for weight gain. Don't be fooled by the cheap horse flax oil supplements. They are marketed as flax oil but they are soy oil with a miniscule amount of added flax oil. Cold pressed flax oil also needs to be stored in the fridge.

I've never had rancidity problems with ground flax. I will grind 1 gallon at a time. It will last maybe as long a 2 weeks. My summers are hot (90-100*) but with very low relative humidity. Spoiled fats are easy to detect by smell and taste. I'll have to make a bag of it up next time and see how long it lasts left out in the feed barn before it starts to turn.
     
    05-17-2013, 12:23 PM
  #17
Trained
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Originally Posted by Left Hand Percherons    
The drawback of going with the oil is price. Oil is going to run $.50-$1 per OUNCE. You'll feed at least 2 oz a day for coat and skin improvements and 4 oz or more (that's only 1/2C) for weight gain. Don't be fooled by the cheap horse flax oil supplements. They are marketed as flax oil but they are soy oil with a miniscule amount of added flax oil. Cold pressed flax oil also needs to be stored in the fridge.

I've never had rancidity problems with ground flax. I will grind 1 gallon at a time. It will last maybe as long a 2 weeks. My summers are hot (90-100*) but with very low relative humidity. Spoiled fats are easy to detect by smell and taste. I'll have to make a bag of it up next time and see how long it lasts left out in the feed barn before it starts to turn.
Would be interesting to know. I also have hot, low humidity.....but I'm a worry wart
     
    05-17-2013, 02:05 PM
  #18
mls
Trained
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    05-30-2013, 02:32 PM
  #19
Green Broke
I'm going to be that person and say I like oil. Or rather, I use dry vegetable oil called Cool Calories. It's pretty cheap. 60 bucks for 20 pounds, which lasts me around two months average. My PSSM horse gets 3 cups a day, because poor dear is in heavy work and a little thin. I'm going to add flax for additional calories as soon as I find a source... (Suggestions?)

She also gets 3 pounds of Legends Performance Pellet a day. It's high in fat (10%) and low in NSC (10-12%). My vet has told me that heavy working PSSM horses can tolerate higher NSC than lighter working ones, so what works for me may not work as well for you.

She's also out to pasture 8 hours a day (she wears a muzzle the rest of the time, but is out moving around 24/7. Very important!)

PS: I've used rice bran before. Talk about expensive! I had to feed 5 pounds a day to meet her fat requirement. No me gusta.
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    05-30-2013, 02:45 PM
  #20
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Originally Posted by Brighteyes    
I'm going to be that person and say I like oil. Or rather, I use dry vegetable oil called Cool Calories. It's pretty cheap. 60 bucks for 20 pounds, which lasts me around two months average. My PSSM horse gets 3 cups a day, because poor dear is in heavy work and a little thin. I'm going to add flax for additional calories as soon as I find a source... (Suggestions?)

She also gets 3 pounds of Legends Performance Pellet a day. It's high in fat (10%) and low in NSC (10-12%). My vet has told me that heavy working PSSM horses can tolerate higher NSC than lighter working ones, so what works for me may not work as well for you.

She's also out to pasture 8 hours a day (she wears a muzzle the rest of the time, but is out moving around 24/7. Very important!)

PS: I've used rice bran before. Talk about expensive! I had to feed 5 pounds a day to meet her fat requirement. No me gusta.
If feeding that amount of rice bran I wonder how much starch and protein it includes that you'd also be feeding and maybe not wanting?
Feeding the straight oil as in cool calories would mean just oil which is all you want?
     

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