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  • What vegetable oils can you give horses from the supermarket
  • Feeding supermarket rice ran oil to horses

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    11-01-2011, 01:59 PM
  #11
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I'm always on a super tight budget during these colder months, so I'm stuck getting what I can from food lion or walmart I've gone around from vegetable to corn oil... but I like corn oil better. Indie reacts well to it (not a lot, half a cup per feeding, she gets fed twice a day), I mix that in with her grain which is sweet feed and fresh chopped veggies (like carrots, cheap and its like adding fresh fruit to your own morning oat meal!) and apple cider vinegar (It has a lot of health benefits, and I only need to add a tiny bit a day).

From my year of experience using this, she's kept her weight on real nice, and her coat is always really shiny. Not sure how true it is, but I heard from a neighbor that a little bit of extra oil helps fend off colic. But again- it's hearsay so I can't verify it, I'm no vet
     
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    11-02-2011, 12:50 AM
  #12
Weanling
hmmmm I don't think i agree with the article....

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Originally Posted by caseymyhorserocks    
The dried vegetable oil from what I have heard, is supposed to be better, more balanced, for them than liquid oil. Of course, I am open to other things, and this may be wrong, but that is what I have heard, and until I hear something about how it is the same or better, that is just what I am going to believe. I posted that before I started my horse on Rice Bran, and now I would recommend Rice Bran for adding weight. I did once feed my horse Corn Oil as she was skinny, a long time ago before I was better educated, and it took about 5 weeks to gain weight. The Cool Calories 100 took about 2 weeks. If liquid and dry oil are the same unbalnced and such for horses, I would rather use Cool Calories 100, as from my experience it works faster, and therefore they don't have to have the oil as long. So maybe her forage got better quality and she gained weight because of that, but that is just what I think. Here is a link to a website that explains very well why oil is not to great for horses: Horses And Oil Don't Mix - Barnmice Equestrian Social Community
I hope I answered your question
I'm sorry but I have to respectfully disagree with the article that you quoted, for starters their math is off ;) I think there are as many opinions on how to feed a horse as there are horse people in the world :) I've had really good luck with adding oils to my horses diet. My Vet Manuel for conditioning the modern sport horse says that many horses need the extra calories of oil and that any veggie based oils are fine to feed horses up to several cups a day (if I remember right) I never gave mine more then a cup at a time mixed with feeds but it helped IMMEDIATELY, I swear I saw them putting on weight in a matter of days.

OP I have fed both "real oil" all kinds including olive, corn etc and "Cool Calories" I saw IMMEDIATE increase in weight with the straight oil
But I find the cool calories to be cheaper and seems to work about the same so that is what I use now for convenience and price. I too was under the impression that cool calories was just dehydrated veggie oils. Thought that is what I read on the bag....I feed TBs and they are unable to eat enough calories in grains and hay to keep their weight up good,(without me worrying about founder and other things caused by overfeeding grains) especially in the heat of summer or the mid of winter. Thus we use the added oils for intensive calorie boost and it has worked wonders for my "hard keepers". My Arab and MY Warm-blood are fine without any oils only the Tbs need it.

Good luck.
     
    11-02-2011, 12:53 AM
  #13
Weanling
i could buy that...

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Originally Posted by Tianimalz    
I'm always on a super tight budget during these colder months, so I'm stuck getting what I can from food lion or walmart I've gone around from vegetable to corn oil... but I like corn oil better. Indie reacts well to it (not a lot, half a cup per feeding, she gets fed twice a day), I mix that in with her grain which is sweet feed and fresh chopped veggies (like carrots, cheap and its like adding fresh fruit to your own morning oat meal!) and apple cider vinegar (It has a lot of health benefits, and I only need to add a tiny bit a day).

From my year of experience using this, she's kept her weight on real nice, and her coat is always really shiny. Not sure how true it is, but I heard from a neighbor that a little bit of extra oil helps fend off colic. But again- it's hearsay so I can't verify it, I'm no vet
I could see how a little oil could help fend off colic in several ways....
Obviously keeping the amt of feed lower so as not to over stuff the tummy or gut plus keeping everything "lubed" up so to speak.
I've never thankfully had a horse colic. It sounds like a holey nightmare.
     
    11-02-2011, 12:55 AM
  #14
Trained
I can't live without ricebran oil! Absolutely fantastic stuff, I have noticed a dramatic difference in coat condition and weight after even just a couple of weeks of feeding it.
No need to pay for these oils apparently made specifically for horses - waste of money. Supermarket rice bran oil is as good as any double the price 'equine oil'.
If I'm not feeding the oil itself, I'll feed ricebran as a hard feed, which contains a high percentage of oil. Both fabulous products that I would highly recommend.
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    11-02-2011, 01:04 PM
  #15
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Originally Posted by WildAcreFarms    
I could see how a little oil could help fend off colic in several ways....
Obviously keeping the amt of feed lower so as not to over stuff the tummy or gut plus keeping everything "lubed" up so to speak.
I've never thankfully had a horse colic. It sounds like a holey nightmare.
That's what my old horseman neighbor (lol I love picking on his age) told me, he said that it helps keep the insides nice and slippery Like I said though, I have no idea how true it is, but I feed the oil anyways for a nice calorie boost and a nice coat and am just like if it does help prevent colic, all the more joy! I'm not counting on it, but like you I've never had my own horse colic on me before. *knocks on wood*
     
    11-02-2011, 01:57 PM
  #16
Weanling
Tianimalz,
You gotta love the old timers! I think sometimes they have a load of wisdom that gets overlooked. Sometimes the old ways are the best ways and a lot of the "old timers" have had horses that worked for a living in the family for many generations. I think we can't be too quick to dismiss their words of wisdom.
My grandfather DID used to worm him horses with a chew of tobacco (gross) strangely it probably DID work. Thankfully that is one old time remedy we have some thing better for today LOL
     
    11-02-2011, 02:20 PM
  #17
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Originally Posted by WildAcreFarms    
Tianimalz,
You gotta love the old timers! I think sometimes they have a load of wisdom that gets overlooked. Sometimes the old ways are the best ways and a lot of the "old timers" have had horses that worked for a living in the family for many generations. I think we can't be too quick to dismiss their words of wisdom.
My grandfather DID used to worm him horses with a chew of tobacco (gross) strangely it probably DID work. Thankfully that is one old time remedy we have some thing better for today LOL
Very much agree (not with the tobacco, ick so glad I have that fancy pants paste stuff LOL smells better.), it's why I'm not quick to dismiss something when my "old timer" neighbors point something out or hand out advice (may question it, but it stays in mind). I mean these people have been handling and living with horses longer than I've been alive, and it doesn't matter if you go to school for it or not- you are bount to pick things up I certianlly haven't figured out yet

Anyway- sorry to jack the thread for a second there OP
     
    11-02-2011, 03:40 PM
  #18
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Originally Posted by caseymyhorserocks    
The dried vegetable oil from what I have heard, is supposed to be better, more balanced, for them than liquid oil. Of course, I am open to other things, and this may be wrong, but that is what I have heard, and until I hear something about how it is the same or better, that is just what I am going to believe. I posted that before I started my horse on Rice Bran, and now I would recommend Rice Bran for adding weight. I did once feed my horse Corn Oil as she was skinny, a long time ago before I was better educated, and it took about 5 weeks to gain weight. The Cool Calories 100 took about 2 weeks. If liquid and dry oil are the same unbalnced and such for horses, I would rather use Cool Calories 100, as from my experience it works faster, and therefore they don't have to have the oil as long. So maybe her forage got better quality and she gained weight because of that, but that is just what I think. Here is a link to a website that explains very well why oil is not to great for horses: Horses And Oil Don't Mix - Barnmice Equestrian Social Community
I hope I answered your question
The Barnmice blog is loaded with inaccurate information and is nothing more than a shameless promotional ad for homeopathic products. To say that "an ounce of Fat is equivalant to..." Wrong! Yes it's only one word off but the author has chosen to not correct it in the 2 years it's been up so she is dispensing bad information. Another problem was not distinguishing what a poor quality fat is. She's placing all fats in that group. Unsaturated vegetable fats are highly digestible and have a place in equine nutrition. Replacing protein and CHO calories that have a nutrtitve value with empty fat calories is hardly a concern with mature horses. We already overfeed with quality hay and oversupplementation so the empty fat calories are not going to create a difficiency. The reference that fat will slow stomach emptying is intersting. Most digestive related issues with horses start with product being dumped in to GI tract too quickly which will alter the bacterial flora with serious complications at times. What's the purpose of the olive oil experiment? She consumed 50% of her daily caloric intake with a non nutritive oil so of course she's going to feel like crap. She's also applying human digestion processes and trying to make a parallel with horses which you just can't do. To close the blog with stating that these homeopathic products will "remove fat residue from the intestines..." sealed the deal that this individual doesn't have anything of value to contribute.

Anyway, CC 100 is 99% vegetable oil. It's going to be digested and utilized that same way liquid vegetable oil is. Put the amount fed into prospective. 1/2# of either is only going to represent 10% or less of the total caloric intake. The quality and quantity of hay is going to have a much more dramatic impact on the overall diet than any supplement.
     
    11-02-2011, 10:35 PM
  #19
Weanling
I have fed oils before. The only "proven" complaints about them that I know to be true is that the omega (forgot which one) content in veg oils may exacerbate skin inflammation in horses with pre-existing skin conditions. The other one is that some horses may get lose stools because a: they were not slowly acclimated to it, or b: they have a low tolerance for it.
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    11-02-2011, 11:36 PM
  #20
Weanling
I have been using stabilized rice bran meal for my foal and my 2 year old for about 2 months now, and they both have shiny coats, and keep nice weight on..
I pick this up in our Tractor Supply.. Max-E-Glo Stabilized Rice Bran Meal & Pellet | Manna Pro
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