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    09-24-2012, 07:35 PM
Is feeding these okay? Anemic horse.

I think I am going to switch feeds. I went and compared strategy and safe choice. Both were very similar. Same price. Same 14% protein, 6% fat, and blah blah blah. Except the safe choice has more fiber. Strategy has 12.5% fiber and safe choice has 16% fiber. So I went ahead and got safe choice. Was this a good choice? I am switching from a textured 14% feed. Will this be hard for them to adjust to? I also add purina amplify to their feed. It's 30% fat. My Arabian gelding doesn't handle the winter too well and he is a hard keeper. As many of you know he recently colicked and at the vet we also found out he is anemic. He has a blood level of 25. I went ahead and got an iron supplement. It's made by dumour. I think it's called magic cell and it's the equivalent of red cell. I am also getting him a pancur power pack for him next week. Will all of this be too much for him or will he thrive? I have had him for 3 years and he's always been a lazy horse. I always thought it was just him. But could his laziness be because anemia? The vet said looking at his blood panel it looks like chronic anemia. He's the one who told me to power pack him and put him on iron supplements. Well I guess my question is, is it safe to feed the safe choice, amplify, and magic cell together? Is it too much selenium? Too much protein? Sorry about the many spread out questions I just want to make sure I am doing right by my babies and feeding them correctly. That colic incident has me scared. Is anyone familiar with chronic anemia in horses?
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    09-24-2012, 07:37 PM
Oh they also get high quality green coastal hay 3x a day. The magic cell will only be fed to my anemic Arabian but I'm switching both of my horses to safe choice and am going to continue adding amplify. Wondering if I made the right choice.
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    09-24-2012, 11:50 PM
That sounds like a good change to me. IIRC, neither Nutrena nor Purina publish their NSC levels (sugar + starch) for their feeds, but I believe Safe Choice is lower NSC, and therefore a healthier choice overall. I like Triple Crown better, since they do publish their NSC levels and also have fixed formulas (which are also published online), but TC can be hard to find in some areas.

As far as selenium is concerned, that would be a good question for your vet. S/he should be familiar with the local selenium levels. You can help the vet out by doing a little pre-work by calculating how much selenium you'll feeding from the grain and supplements. Extra credit if your hay has been analyzed

The key thing is to make changes slowly. Start mixing in the Safe Choice with the textured feed, slowly increasing the amount of Safe Choice and decreasing the textured feed, and switch over completely over the course of a week or two. If you're keeping the amount of Amplify the same, no need to stop it while you're changing the grain. If you're increasing or decreasing, do it slowly as well. Same with the Magic Cell.

I'd go ahead and do the Power Pac- I'm guessing your vet suspects a heavy worm load could be causing the anemia, so you'll be fighting an uphill battle with the Magic Cell until the worms are cleared out.
    09-25-2012, 12:52 AM
Well the bottle of magic cell says selenium intake should not exceed 0.3 ppm daily in feed rations added together. But both strategy and safe choice have 0.6ppm. Makes no sense. If I was to add it up it sounds like I'm overloading big time with selenium according to magic cell. That's what got me confused. For some reason not many people around here have results of testing their hay on hand. I've heard great things about tc but I don't think anyone around here actually carry it. I am waiting until I have one bag left of my textured to start switching so I'm not wasting any.
The vet said power pac to get rid of any encysted worms that don't lay eggs. Scary stuff. Lol
    09-25-2012, 01:42 AM
The 0.3ppm most likely refers to all feed- hay included. SmartPak has a nice map of selenium levels across the country: SmartPak Equine - Glossary of Ingredients

So, if you feed 5 lbs of SafeChoice at 0.6ppm and 20 lbs of hay at .15 ppm, you'd average out to 0.24 ppm if I'm doing my math correctly.
    09-25-2012, 01:50 AM
I just found this website from Southern States that suggests a minimum selenium intake of 0.1 ppm and maximum as 2.0 ppm. (This answers the question I had looking at the SmartPak map- what do you do if you live in an area where selenium is higher than 0.3ppm!) I'm not sure where Magic Cell came up with the 0.3ppm.

Note- ppm is the same as mg/kg
    09-25-2012, 01:59 AM
0.6 plus 0.15 is 0.75. I don't know where they got it either. I thought it was a typo but it was on all of them.
    09-25-2012, 02:02 AM
I think my area is in the .15 range
    09-25-2012, 01:26 PM
Originally Posted by hisangelonly    
0.6 plus 0.15 is 0.75. I don't know where they got it either. I thought it was a typo but it was on all of them.
You don't add them together- you average it out based on the weight of the food. For the example I gave you'd do:

(((20 lbs hay) * (0.15 ppm)) + ((5 lbs grain) * (0.6 ppm))) / (25 lbs total feed) = 0.24 ppm
    09-25-2012, 01:46 PM
Figuring out your Se levels is not as simple as adding up the ppms. Ppms are a percentage of the feed. 1ppm is 1g in 1kg of feed. An average horse only needs 1-3mg total per day. You live in an area that has adequate Se in the soil so your forages should have adequate levels in them. I wouldn't be adding Se to the diet on top of the concentrates that are already fortified.

You have to convert lbs to Kg of feed. Quickly 5# of SC at .6ppm will provide:
5 divided by 2.54= 1.96 Kg
1.96 X .6 = 1.18 mg without taking into consideration what the hay is providing. You are getting more than enough Se just with the SC.

Chronic anemia is typically a result of other underlying issues. The most common is ulcers or a vitamin B deficiency. Forages typically provide adequate Fe levels by themselves alone. Try adding B12 before adding additional Fe.

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