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post #1 of 114 Old 12-01-2016, 01:03 PM Thread Starter
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Help feeding thin senior horse that cannot chew hay

Hi,
I have a couple of other threads out there on this horse.


I need feeding recommendations for my 23 yr old mare that cannot chew hay due to dental issues. Also has a history of ulcers and sand, gas, and impaction colic. She is underweight and has lost muscle mass.


I have tried beet pulp on several occasions in small amounts and she seems to have abdominal pain afterwards. Could be coincidence but I don't want to chance it. Have also tried some senior feeds but also seemed to have colic afterwards so I am not sure if coincidence or if I fed to much to soon.


I have been soaking 20lbs of Alfalfa/Bermuda complete feed hay replacer pellets with 1 cup of rice bran,and feeding that, 5 cups a feeding every hour to two hours a through out the day with the last feeding at about 10pm.
I also supplement with Allay by Adeptus (nutraceutical acid buffer with calcium, probiotics, licorice) twice a day and one scoop of electrolytes daily. Currently she is on 1/4 tube of Ulcer Guard once a day.
She has a white salt block that she uses after eating each time. Going through about 1 lb block of salt a week.


She is the kind of horse that will eat everything that is in front of her until it is gone and then start begging for more. That is why I cannot feed to much at a time. I have tried to slow her down with rocks etc in her pan but she starts picking them up so I took them out.


She is stalled right now and I am keeping her blanketed if the weather is under 60f and I check her constantly to make sure she doesn't get to hot.


She is not gaining weight.


Any suggestions? Anything I should be adding? Do the weight gain powders work? I have some cool calories and some other weight gainer, but am leery to use them.


Thank you.
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post #2 of 114 Old 12-01-2016, 01:26 PM
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You are doing everything right, IMO:)

I don't like to say this but ----- when this happened with my Arab (he didn't have any back teeth, ulcer issues, also a picky eater), I did the same thing ---- soaked-to-mush hay cubes & rice bran, plus his needed supplements and fed him 3-4 times daily.

Toward his end time, the vet gave him a pretty thorough hands on physical. She felt he had internal tumors, somewhere in the back. By then he was 29 and nothing could have been done, even if surgery would have been possible.

I am sorry to bring something like that up but tumors are possibility. Has your vet given any input?
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Have you had her seen by a vet? Going through that much salt a week plus still not gaining weight after all that high-calorie fiber is worrying. I would absolutely want to see blood work done to check her thyroid, even though hyper-thyroid in horses is rare it does still happen, and I would also want to check her kidney function because of the salt consumption, as well as levels of calcium and phosphorous if you are feeding a lot of alfalfa.

If everything is OK, I might try her out on an EPSM diet. 1 lb of fat for every 1,000 lbs of body weight is about 2 cups of oil per day. You can increase the rice bran oil, or use Cocosoya, or even grocery-store brand Mazola corn oil. They do have high-fat feeds meant for horses with metabolic issues, so you could mix it with that.
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Hi, yes she has seen the vet. Vet says at this point she is old. I will get another vet out to look at her but I can't right now. Last blood work was 7 months ago and she was slightly anemic. I need to recheck it.


I know this isn't good and I am just dealing with what is in front of me now. Not the past or the future. But I am a realist. Will stay positive and optimistic on the outside for now. Have to at least do what I can for her.


Thank you for the replies. I appreciate the input and advice.
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Since she is using her salt block so much, do you think I should remove it? She is eating about 1 lb a week. It is the white salt block.
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Since she is using her salt block so much, do you think I should remove it? She is eating about 1 lb a week. It is the white salt block.
That is a "free" question you should be able to call your vet and ask, since the vet knows her history.

My thought is to let her keep the salt, as long as she is drinking plenty of water and does not have diarrhea.

My insulin resistant horse has always eaten more salt than the other horses, even long before he was diagnosed as IR.

Again, get your vet's input before removing the salt:)

Is she getting vitamin/mineral supplements via some sort of feed, ration balancer, or something like Platinum Performance? If not, that might be a reason why she is eating so much salt.
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I recommend feeding triple crown senior as a complete feed. Occasionally I add a bit of alfalfa pellets, if I need additionally filler. But I have kept many elderly horses fat and happy on it for years without hay and it is truly a lifesaver!!!
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Seems like you are doing everything right, your mare is luck to have you.

There are some supplements out there that are basically 99% fat. Some people like them, some don't, but it is worth looking into. Ground flax is also good.
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At 2 pounds per 100 pounds of desired weight, she may not be getting quite enough feed. I agree with using a senior feed. She needs something with vitamins and minerals. She has to have salt. Maybe you could use half senior feed and half of the hay pellets you are using.

I am currently taking care of 5 seniors that range in age from 27 - 35. It is a very expensive project. All but the oldest will eat some hay. I keep it in front of them 24/7. I also give a locally made senior feed, a mineral mix, and a salt block. They all look good except the 35 year old and he looks like crap. I agonize over whether I should go on and put him down...................
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Thank you all for the advice. I will leave the salt block with her for now since she has plenty of water and is drinking well. I will look into a senior feed that will be easy to digest for her and try to slowly start adding it to the hay pellets.


Just weight taped her and she is 915lbs. She is a 15"2 horse and used to be 1133. Most recently when she was in shape she was 1050 I think. It just shocks me how she seemed to suddenly go from a robust healthy looking horse to how she looks now. It's just so sad.


Thank you again for all the help and I will look into what was recommended.
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