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  • Triple crown sr laminitis
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    05-09-2013, 04:16 PM
  #21
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Originally Posted by Numaany    
He did not say why..but I have heard of using a mix of DMSO and iodine for thrush and white line disease. It seemed to help more with the pain, though, than just epsom salt alone.
Hmm....but having to agree with what saddlebag said about stains coming from inside the hoof ....could you take pictures of the feet, from the side and the soles, and post them, if at all possible?
     
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    05-09-2013, 05:46 PM
  #22
Foal
Here are pictures from 2 days ago (before the vet came out)...They aren't really the best. I will try to get pics tonight of his soles, but that might have to wait until tomorrow as it has been raining all day, not sure if it will be clear enough.
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    05-09-2013, 07:10 PM
  #23
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Trim-wise they're looking pretty good. Have they just been done? Sorry if you said that already....scrolling back and forth with a cell is a true pain.....
     
    05-10-2013, 12:52 AM
  #24
Foal
He had his feet done 3 weeks ago..And here are pics from tonight, the vet trimmed him a little bit yesterday, and clipped off parts of the sole which revealed the bruising.
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    05-10-2013, 03:53 PM
  #25
Yearling
Protein does not cause laminitus.

Id also suspect a mild case of laminitus from hind gut acidosis from a large amount of grain being given and passing partially undigested through the small intestine to the large. The large is NOT made to digest starches, it digest fiber. Its almost 100% the cause if the information we have been given is accurate. He would possibly have bruising from the laminitus BTW and he does appear to have thin flat soles probably caused by poor nutrition and environment.

If you feed this horse reasonably and stay away from alot of starch and cereal grains, he should be just fine and no more prone to get laminitus again than any average horse provided there are no other predisposing metabolic triggers like cushings or IR etc. Feed him appropriately and forage would be my go to choice along with a ration balancer. Id feed 10 lbs of alfalfa and free choice hay along with 2 lbs of TCs ration balancer. Triple Crown is great stuff. If you feel the need to feed a hard feed also, Triple Crown SR is amazing.
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    05-10-2013, 04:34 PM
  #26
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Triple crown is one of the only complete feeds that seems to be molasses free
Blue Seal here are now stocking Speedi beet which is molasses free and good for weight gain, high fibre, safe energy & high calcium.
You can increase his fat intake by adding rice bran, I've had no problems with that
I feed my IRS mare Sentinel senior and its never brought on another attack - she also gets hay stretcher pellets, beet pulp and rice bran to increase her fat intake as she's hard to keep weight on now
I only feed grass hay - no alfalfa and she goes out daily on restricted grazing
She also gets Quiessence (chromium and magnesium) as advised by my vet
Pic of her on the left taken today
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    05-11-2013, 07:23 AM
  #27
Trained
Hi, re your first question OP, beet pulp, rice bran, alfalfa, soy hulls & copra are some good low starch/NSC options to grain/ high GI feeds.

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VERY bruised (multiple stone bruises) on the soles, and was bleeding in some spots
Obviously I haven't even seen the horse's feet & not a vet but that sounds alarming. Where was the blood coming from? Not the 'bruised' soles I hope?? Why is the horse so thin soled & bruising? Why do you need to soak his feet? Why are you getting shoes - particularly bar shoes - on him? What measures did the vet suggest to rehab his feet?

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When we have cool nights and fairly warm/hot days and the growth begins that is when the sugars rise in the plant. Mornings are the highest time of sugars.
Saddle, agree with the rest of your post, and that frosty nights & warm days allow sugars to build, but it's photosynthesis(ie sunlight) that produces sugars in plants, so they tend to be (depends on weather) highest in the afternoon/early evening. Plants then use the sugars to grow over night, being lowest by the early morning - so long as it's not frosty or such, as then they shut down & retain their sugars.
     
    05-11-2013, 11:33 AM
  #28
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Originally Posted by loosie    
Hi, re your first question OP, beet pulp, rice bran, alfalfa, soy hulls & copra are some good low starch/NSC options to grain/ high GI feeds.



Obviously I haven't even seen the horse's feet & not a vet but that sounds alarming. Where was the blood coming from? Not the 'bruised' soles I hope?? Why is the horse so thin soled & bruising? Why do you need to soak his feet? Why are you getting shoes - particularly bar shoes - on him? What measures did the vet suggest to rehab his feet?



Saddle, agree with the rest of your post, and that frosty nights & warm days allow sugars to build, but it's photosynthesis(ie sunlight) that produces sugars in plants, so they tend to be (depends on weather) highest in the afternoon/early evening. Plants then use the sugars to grow over night, being lowest by the early morning - so long as it's not frosty or such, as then they shut down & retain their sugars.
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    05-12-2013, 12:30 AM
  #29
Foal
Loosie, the bleeding was coming from the soles, this horse is a rescue and his coat and hooves were terrible when I picked him up. The vet recommended soaking his feet to help ease the pain, and bar shoes to allow the bruises to heal.
     
    05-12-2013, 04:29 AM
  #30
Trained
Thanks Desert, responded before seeing pics! On the surface, they don't look bad - there are some obvious issues & need better & non-blurry pix to be accurate, but they're not in terrible shape. If his soles are that thin & there was actual blood coming from them, I'd be very concerned that this could be solar penetration, particularly if it's around the tip of P3 - crescent shape approx 3/4" in front of frog apex. Whether it is, or whether it's 'just' bruising from extra thin soles, I'd be keeping shoes off him for now at least, to help him recover, and I'd be using boots &/or pads as necessary for his comfort & protection(& to treat & keep clean the wounds if there is solar penetration). I would avoid hard/rough ground and riding this horse at all, until he recovers, unless he's well padded & booted & obviously comfortable.
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