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post #11 of 25 Old 04-26-2010, 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by corinowalk View Post
I wish I could cut out his grains. I just think that he would probably be pretty angry if all his buddies were eating and he had to stand there empty handed.
[COLOR="rgb(255, 0, 255)"] So the only reason he's on grain is because you think he'll get upset if he doesn't have any and the other horses do? Oh my. if he trys and steals some in a pasture, he'll be put in place right quick. In stalls, well, THEY DON'T THINK LIKE PEOPLE!! he won't think "well, theres no grain, so let me act mean and unhappy to get soem, and act up when being ridden"[/COLOR]
He does work a good bit and im afraid of him thinning down.
Erm.... seriously? I worked my horse all summer last year, just on a few flakes of hay a day, on hot days, 5 times a week till she was dripping sweat. She still loved it. never grained. Yours will do fine without grain.
get some manners going, lunge him befroe you ride, and practise just letting him run with you on him in tight circles until he slows down. in those circles. He'll eventually get board of circles, and slow down.
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post #12 of 25 Old 04-26-2010, 11:00 PM
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I don't think your main problem is feed, maybe training, maybe just a personality clash, but you asked about feed so that's what i'll talk about.

I have recently (In the last year) switched from feeding a sweet feed to feeding no grain, low starch and low sugar diets to all my horses.

Why? One of my horses is grain intolerant and has chronic tying-up issues when on grain or sweet feed.

I am now a complete convert. Low starch and low sugar diets are healthier, more natural, and don't have to lack anything contrary to popular beleif. You can provide as much energy and goodness as you can with grains - But without the bad bits.

Sweet feed to horses is like junk food to people. Just not good. A horses digestive system isn't equipped to handle the massive spikes in blood sugar and starch that they get from a seewt feed.

So - alternatives.

Is he turned out? For how long? - If he isn't at 24/7 pasture, then try and get free choice hay in front of him 24/7 when he isn't grazing. 24/7 forage is what horses are meant to be eating.

Next, add a mineral/vit supplement or ration balancer. These are designed to complement the forage based diet and 'top up' any deficiencies they may have. My horses have a vit/min lick in the paddock. A ration balancer is a pellet that is fed at very low rates.

Next, you add calories as needed.

I personally love, love, love beet pulp - Called speedi-beet in Australia. It is classed as forage but has roughly equivalent energy levels to oats. It is usually fed soaked so it great to hide any unsavoury additives.

Calories - Many different options. You can go a grain substitute like lupins, flaxseed meal, soybean hulls. You can try oils. You can try 'meals' - Copra (Coconut meal) Rice bran, full fat soy, etc.

Personally I feed a base of speedi-beet and add copra for calories.

Or you can try some of the low starch, low sugar complete feeds that are out there. Most are based on rice bran, FFS, soybean meal, copra, or beet pulp, with vit/min added. I've tried Prydes Easi-sport and Hygain Zero - Not sure what you have.

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post #13 of 25 Old 04-26-2010, 11:00 PM
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OK since you are in PA find a Buckeye dealer ... :)

Get a bag of their Gro N Win add in some beet pulp... takes care of sugar and starch problem will prob take about a week to see results.

Have hay tested if possible... NO GRAINS...

as much turn out as possible 24/7 if possible is best.

when he gets "goey" do lots of LITTLE circles .. make it harder for him to want to go then to go the pace you want.. he prances you make him circle dont' give up until he stops and relaxes

I have been called the NSC Nazi more then once ... I hate traditional feed methods of loading our horses up on grains and junk food :)
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post #14 of 25 Old 04-26-2010, 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by corinowalk View Post
So your solution is to just let him take off and run around like a maniac?
Horses are like kids in that they learn best if they make mistakes and then are corrected--if you try to keep them from making mistakes (tight rein, stiff body posture, etc), they just make bigger ones.

So yeah, in essence, let him run around (make the mistake) and then shut him down hard. If he's at all smart he'll learn that doing what he wants is not an option.

Also, peggysue's circle reccomendation works well to control his speed within a gait, once he's learned to stay there without constant reminder.
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post #15 of 25 Old 04-26-2010, 11:16 PM
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peggysue said what I said, in different words, lol. I'm not good at describing things :) Thats how I got my mare to slow down a BUNCH! She went from GO GO GO!!!!!!!!!! to Go...... and i got her doing a slow western jog and lope :) My trainer taught me that, lol :)
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lather, rinse, repeat - rotfl

First, I'd take him off sweet feed except for just a sprinkle for taste, on the substitute of rolled oats; cooler effect! Then, I'd do all kinds of things to let him go: put him at liberty in arena/on enclosed track, then interact with him on a long line - circles & small jumps, then canter him a lot in arena at first, doing patterns to keep him focused away from running. Of course, you must develop the deep seat & all-round skill to let him go on trail, but before then, you can use up a lot of his energy by circling trees, shoulder-in, etc., rather than flat-out running. If you give all of this your best shot & he's still too much, I'd say he needs the person who'll match him better. It wouldn't mean that you're a failure, just that you can't keep up with him right now . One more thing: 3x a week is insufficient for a horse of his type: he needs 5 minimum, preferably just the Sabbath off!
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Thank you everyone for such great advice. I think I will try the buckeye feeds that Peggysue reccomended. Since he is already turned out 24/7 on lots of pasture, I think he will get his carbs the natural way from now on. As far as training goes...i love the idea of circles...I can see him responding to that. He is a really good smart boy who just loves to go. I would love to ride him more as Northern suggested but with two kids and a hubby at home, stealing away 3 days a week is pushing the issue. Keep your eyes peeled! I will post an update in a few weeks to let you know how he is doing!
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post #18 of 25 Old 04-26-2010, 11:55 PM
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I have an Arab/Quarter/Morgan mare...and I have similar issues sometimes. I can give a couple of suggestions to slow him down, one is from Clinton Anderson and another one I can't remember where I got it from. These have worked for me.

A) pick him up into a gait of your choice (usually a lope), his speed. Keep him there and go the whole way around the arena until he starts showing signs of slowing, then tell him, no we're keeping this pace and make him work for it. then stop when YOU want him to stop, eventually he'll realize that his reward for going slow is stopping sooner. It may take a long time at first, but eventually, you'll have to push him hard to just get up to speed. "Make the hard things hard and the easy things easy" -I believe Clinton Anderson says that.

B) small circles, in any pace, just do small circles. He's going fast because he's bored with just going round and round like a carousel horse. Make "egg beater" circles and switch it up, it'll get easy as he figures out going faster in small circles is harder than going slow

when you are satisfied with the ride, get off, loosen the girth and lead him back to the barn. That's his reward for a good ride.
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post #19 of 25 Old 04-27-2010, 12:37 AM
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one more suggestion...

Have you thought about getting a capable horseperson out to interact w/ride him on the 3 days you're not there? That'd be twice the wet saddle pads! I'm sure you could find someone who won't charge you, either. p.s. it's ,"Make the right thing easy, & make the wrong thing hard."
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post #20 of 25 Old 04-27-2010, 08:35 AM
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Oh thanks, my daughter was on the site last night and was using my account. I remember her saying something about it and quoted it correctly but it does appear she typed it wrong and missed it when she proofed it.
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