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        05-23-2014, 09:07 AM
      #11
    Green Broke
    The horse is a TB for starters, they shouldn't be portly. I have two insulin resistant Tennessee Walkers; they aren't quite as svelt as the horse pictured, but I sure wish they were.

    There is nothing wrong with the horse's weight. I can't see the back bone and she's not "hip high".

    This is one of those "if it works, don't fix". Leave her feed regimen alone unless she's on any sort of sweet feed; then switch her to something without so much molasses but has the same general Guaranteed Analysis and ingredients on the bag.

    Reading labels and understanding them has become a crucial part of horse ownership in today's world.
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        05-23-2014, 12:25 PM
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    This was taken just 20 minutes ago she is still quite skinny even for a thoroughbred
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        05-23-2014, 12:27 PM
      #13
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    Originally Posted by walkinthewalk    
    The horse is a TB for starters, they shouldn't be portly. I have two insulin resistant Tennessee Walkers; they aren't quite as svelt as the horse pictured, but I sure wish they were.

    There is nothing wrong with the horse's weight. I can't see the back bone and she's not "hip high".

    This is one of those "if it works, don't fix". Leave her feed regimen alone unless she's on any sort of sweet feed; then switch her to something without so much molasses but has the same general Guaranteed Analysis and ingredients on the bag.

    Reading labels and understanding them has become a crucial part of horse ownership in today's world.
    Normally I would agree with you that she is a thoroughbred and that she should be lean but I have seen this mare before the weight loss and she looked like a quarter horse!!
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    Also look at the second picture I posted.. you can clearly see back bone.. that first one just made her look good she's still skinny...
         
        05-23-2014, 12:36 PM
      #14
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    Originally Posted by horselovinguy    
    I just saw your picture just before I posted this...
    Didn't you just do a thread and posts about this same horse and same issue a few weeks ago...I sure remember seeing this picture and her name and, and, and...reading advice from many posters...

    Your mare is not that bad in weight to size proportion. I expected a skinner with how I took your writings...she needs a small amount of weight to finish rounding her off.
    She is a Thoroughbred you said...she may never be fat, round and chubby looking but always resemble lean and lanky...it truly is healthier for her to not be a roly-poly wad of fat.

    At some point you need to start to work the horse so they use those muscles and not be a couch potato of mush.

    The "feeding" only 1x a day the grain...same amount needs broken into several feedings if this is what you can manage.
    You also need to feed more calories in than out to get weight on any animal...and vice versa to lose weight.

    Coastal hay is about the lowest in nutritional value you can feed...the fact she has a unlimited supply is a great help to compensate for what it lacks in nutritional values.

    Wrangler feed...never heard of it. I just looked it up...

    Is this what you are feeding???
    It is a supplemental feed for goats, cattle, horses and sheep who live on pasture...not daily grain fed all by itself but used with another feed that compensates for what is lacking in the diet... you need to know what is lacking before just pushing this or that or you can cause more harm than you realize...like death.
    • WRANGLER 12 Pellet livestock feed
    • Dietary supplement for horses, cattle, goats and sheep
    • Feed as directed
    • As with any new product, introduce slowly over 7 to 10 days
    • Crude protein: Min 12.0 %
    • Crude Fat: Min 2.5 %
    • Crude Fiber: Max 30.0 %
    • Calcium: Min 1.4 %, Max 1.9 %
    • Phosphorus: Min 0.4 %
    • Salt: Min 1.0 %, Max 1.5 %
    • Potassium: Min 0.6 %li>Copper: Min 5 PPM, Max 15 PPM
    • Zinc: Min 80 PPM
    • Selenium: Min 0.1 PPM
    • Vitamin A: Min 3,000 IU/Lb
    Do you realize there is not one review of any kind about this product...that should clue you in...

    You need to do some research, reading and educating of yourself about feed for horses.
    I'm positive for what this must cost you you can get better products.
    If you buy from Agri Supply they do have other offerings for horses that won't cost you a fortune and will be better for your horse. This "store" is the only place I see carrying this brand when I googled it...

    You say you are in Florida...is there no Seminole or Southern States dealers near you? They offer feed for horses, specific to horses needs at ridiculously cheap prices. Florida is a huge feed mill business...most of them also sell horse feed in 50 pound bags cheaply...

    I think you need to change your feed being offered, feed several small meals a day of that feed and supply a better hay if you really want her to blossom more...she isn't doing badly...but she could do better. Maybe...she is a lanky Thoroughbred.

    Good luck

    jmo...


    No I don't believe that is my feed there are alot called Wrangler I believe its by cargril but let me double check that! It is a feed for wide variety of animals...

    As for the once a day its not my choice my BO lets me keep her there board free and he only feeds once a day and I can't make it out there every day I try but I have been trying to get a job again (that's why the poor quality feed...) and just got a job so things will be different! But can't change the feeding once a day.. but I can beat free board!

    Also thus is first time posting..
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        05-23-2014, 01:16 PM
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    Originally Posted by Amys First    

    This was taken just 20 minutes ago she is still quite skinny even for a thoroughbred
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    OK... what you think of as skinny I see as lack of muscle and this is why...

    These are areas where "fat deposits" sit...
    Her flanks are nearly completely flat, not concave nor convex...they are supposed to be flat in appearance.
    Just around her wither area is a rounded look to her...this is again a fat deposit area.
    Her shoulder point area is covered in a layer of fat and flesh not protruding.
    She is round.
    Her back lacks muscle tone, period.
    Her hip girdle area is a "typical" build on a Thoroughbred...slightly goose-rumped and you see some of that "boning".
    She is not "razor backed" with her wither prominent and protruding but nicely fleshed out.
    Her rump at the top is nicely fleshed, not sunken in.
    Her shoulder area and neck under her mane blend together softly...you can see it in the picture, there is not a "bump" where the two meet but a soft pleasing look to her..

    Honest, she is not skinny nor needing much more weight.
    She may have looked like a quarter horse at some point in her life, that doesn't mean it was what she should of looked like nor was it healthy for her to lug around that excessive "fat"...cause there is no way if she was that rounded she was muscles...

    Remember she is older now, has been sitting by your own words and the first place muscle tone is lost and last place it is gained and weight to for that matter is the top-line.
    She lacks muscle tone and delineation not fat on her frame. There is a huge difference.
    I would honestly score your horse at a 4.5! The very best is a 5... and I would not ever want to see her score higher than a 5..it is unhealthy for her!
    She has all but the last part of the weight look you want but she lacks the muscle tone I think you think is fat...there is a difference.
    The pictures of the link in red are of Thoroughbreds and there is a difference in how they look to a quarter horse. She is not a quarter horse, will never be "stocky" in appearance and trying to make her such is a disservice to her and not good for her health, legs, feet and anything else connected to her.
    I think you may not understand scoring for a skinny, thin, fat, obese or prime weight category...here is a few links that might help you to understand why I and others say she is fine and not thin...lacking muscle yes, fat no!

    http://www.trfinc.org/mc_images/category/4/eqfeb09bodyconditionscore.pdf
    https://www.uky.edu/Ag/AnimalSciences/pubs/asc145.pdf
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henneke_horse_body_condition_scoring_system

    I would personally stop trying to pack more pounds on her without introducing a work program that is consistent in days of work and working her to build that top-line as it won't arrive on its own...
    I think once you start to put some muscle on her you will be more than surprised that she isn't skinny as you think...

    Best of luck with her, she sure is pretty and shiny which tells me she is healthy.

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        05-23-2014, 02:10 PM
      #16
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    Whats a good way to build topline muscle without saddle because her back is to boney and she's in pain under saddle even with thick pad?
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        05-23-2014, 02:11 PM
      #17
    Showing
    Honestly? I would scrap the 12% feed right off the bat. The majority of those pelleted "complete feeds" contain a lot of starch and sugars, which are hard on a horse's digestive system and can actually make weight gain harder.

    I also agree that it's not fat she's needing, just muscle. Feeding something with only 12% protein isn't giving her much chance to build muscle up. At most, 12% will simply maintain what little she has. Where I buy my feed, alfalfa pellets are cheaper than most of those "complete" feeds....and they are better for the horses. They generally have at least 15% protein, which is what your girl likely needs.
         
        05-23-2014, 02:17 PM
      #18
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    So just alfalfa pellets?? Any supplement with it??
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        05-23-2014, 02:33 PM
      #19
    Showing
    I don't feed any additional supplements, but for my elderly "hard keeper" horses, I mix in some oil for the added fat and probiotics but that's it.

    In addition to that, mine all have access to loose minerals formulated for stock in my general area to make up for any deficiencies that may be found in my hay.

    With that, even my guys who drop weight easily are at a healthy weight, slick, and shiny.
         
        05-23-2014, 02:33 PM
      #20
    Foal

    "Also thus is first time posting.."



    horselovingguy---- wow!!! Look at the resemblance in these horses! Both named amy?!? Both 13-14 yrs of age?
         

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