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    04-04-2012, 12:51 PM
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Thank you for your prayers. I'll be sure to give updates when I can.

I did meet with the BO and called the rescue that she's from. He's agreed to take her off of the Omleen 400 and she'll be on a rice bran, corn oil, and beetpulp diet. We're holding off on the alfalfa cubes for now because I want to get her ulcers under control, but I'll add them as soon as I can. I'm not able to fence off an area for her, but I've been offered to bring her to the other side of our farm and keep her in the quarentine pens which have a fair amount of grass, so I'll probably bring both her and Kenzie over there tonight.

The rescue has agreed to have a blood panel done on her but not for another week, so I'll just wing it until then I suppose. And I plan on going to our Whole Foods store this week to look for aloe and slippery elm bark. Neither the rescue or our BO are willing to take her off of the Omeprazole, but I did call the manufacturer and I'll be calling our vet to make sure that the two medications won't react badly with eachother before I try it.
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    04-04-2012, 02:22 PM
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I know nothing about ulcers in horses but I know a little about ulcers in humans. There's a reason there are so many different kinds of ulcer meds. Some will work with one person but not with another. I was diagnosed with an ulcer almost six years ago and have had terrible heartburn ever since. I have tried many different options, some work for a week, some two weeks, but eventually all the "best" meds wear off.

So if they won't agree on a natural fix maybe just switching the meds will help. Oh and I know celery is a natural fix for humans, temporary, but it works.
    04-04-2012, 05:55 PM
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Thats very true, Poppy, and something to think about. I'm going to try to get permission to atleast do a 1-2 week trial run of the bark and aloe...its not like it's going to make her any worse. If they just don't let me do it though, I might try switching to UlcerGuard or something similar. The only problem that I"m running into though is that almost all of the medications (synthesised, anyways) have nearly exactly the same ingredients. They're just called different things or have different doses. Right now she's on 1000 mg and I'd hate to use much more than that.

I'm also looking at suppliments, and the local tack store owner showed me something called G.U.T. Supposively it reduces the acid in a horse's body, but unfortunately it doesn't sound like it works very well if it isn't fed atleast four times a day. Our horses get two grain meals a day, then free range hay, since we don't have any live-ins on the farm...or paid staff members.

Another option is that I could get a general suppliment such as Grand Complete, or Omega GRANDE- which actually has rice bran, flax seed, etc in it already.
    04-04-2012, 09:42 PM
Endiku, one of the posters suggested dumping the premix, formulated feeds and I think that's a good idea. If she is sensitive to different feeds and grains, switching to another supplement is not going to give you any new information to work with. I don't know if flax seed is a good idea with ulcers. What is the digestibility of that, I wonder?
    04-04-2012, 09:49 PM
Yes, there are a lot of horses that have had good success with a "whole food" diet free of pre-mixed complete feeds, many with ulcer issues. I am considering switching my horse off of his RB and onto a whole food diet as well.

I don't know where I read this, or if it is true, but I though alfalfa was good for ulcers and soothed them to some point?? Alfalfa is high in calcium so is kind of like Tums??? I am not for sure on this though.
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    04-04-2012, 10:31 PM
I'm not sure, Anabel. Alfalfa is hard to get around here, but seems to me I also read that it is suitable feed for a horse with ulcers.
    04-05-2012, 11:25 AM
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I see. So no suppliments at all, is what I believe you're getting at? I'm just afraid that she's not going to get enough nutrition on forage alone, especially because we're coming into Summer- and Texas summer grass is not known for being high-nutrience.

I honestly don't know about whether or not alfalfa is good for their ulcers or not, but its something to look into. Like I said, she's already being offered free range 1/3 alfalfa 2/3 timothy (which is about the best hay you can get around here right now for under $200, unfortunately) but doesn't seem to like it, as she's only eating about a flake a day. But we do have alfalfa cubes already in stock because they're fed to our two seniors, so if they will do good, I can add them whenever I like.
    04-05-2012, 11:32 AM
Have you had the vet out? Had her scoped? Checked her teeth? Checked if there's any ulcers that are bleeding? Checked for rectal ulcers?
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    04-05-2012, 11:48 AM
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Yes we've had a vet out- once for a preliminary check up along with the other five, then three times trying to get her healthy. She has been scoped, which is how we found the ulcers, they were not bleeding at that point, and no, they were gastric ulcer. No rectal ulcers were found.

And yes, her teeth have been checked and floated. They were fairly sharp so that was taken care of and she doesn't appear to have any discomfort with them anymore.
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    04-05-2012, 11:58 AM
So what's the vet saying about how to manage and feed her so she gets in better condition?

I'd say to stick with the vet and get advice as they've seen the horse and know precisely what it's condition is.

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