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post #21 of 27 Old 12-17-2013, 07:45 AM
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Were the IV shots Tildren?
Legend. And I have to say the improvement was visible after the 1st shot (even though I didn't hold my breath at first given the fact she was quite lame). We are waiting now to see for how long it'll last. May switch to (cheaper alternative of) Adequan. It'll be $25 or $30/shot.

BTW, the supplement I use (and my vet swears by it, he said it alone made lame horses at least pasture sound) is Vet-Flex, and you can only get it through the vet (it's not sold in internet stores like Smartpack etc.). Much cheaper alternative to Smartpack and other supplements out there I have to say (while the ingredients are very similar).

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post #22 of 27 Old 12-17-2013, 07:46 AM
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They do HA through IV?
Oh, yes, it's one of the common practices... :)

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Legend. And I have to say the improvement was visible after the 1st shot (even though I didn't hold my breath at first given the fact she was quite lame). We are waiting now to see for how long it'll last. May switch to (cheaper alternative of) Adequan. It'll be $25 or $30/shot.

BTW, the supplement I use (and my vet swears by it, he said it alone made lame horses at least pasture sound) is Vet-Flex, and you can only get it through the vet (it's not sold in internet stores like Smartpack etc.). Much cheaper alternative to Smartpack and other supplements out there I have to say (while the ingredients are very similar).
If the shots are that inexpensive, it's not Adequan.
It could be Icon, but it's likely just plain glucosamine, which is not as effective as the PSGAGs.
I pay more for Adequan than Legend per shot. And if you are doing the Adequan, to get the bang for your buck, it should be done in a series of 7 injections, one every 4 days. Otherwise it is not as effective, or plainly, not effective.
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Apple Cider Vinegar:
To lessen the number of gnats and flies that bother your horse, put a small amount of apple cider vinegar in a spray bottle and spray on. Apple cider vinegar has also been connected to calming a nervous horse, easing itchy skin, and aiding the treatment of arthritis and joint pain. Add ½ to ¼ cup of apple cider vinegar to your horse’s feed once per day. This home remedy can also be used to prevent flies.

Herbs have been shown to be beneficial for horses with hock arthritis

Devils Claw
Yucca
White Willow Bark
Crucumin/Turmeric


There are many herbal and homeopathic remedies that can help to address stiff, painful joints in horses. Homeopathic ingredients such as Apis and Rhus tox can gently, yet effectively support supple joints and ligaments.

Ferrum phos, Nat. Phos. And Calc. Fluor can address imbalances at a cellular level, and help promote strong ligaments, muscles and bones. Arnica can help address pain, bruising and tenderness – without numbing the joint or carrying the risks of harsh drugs
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Apple Cider Vinegar:
To lessen the number of gnats and flies that bother your horse, put a small amount of apple cider vinegar in a spray bottle and spray on. Apple cider vinegar has also been connected to calming a nervous horse, easing itchy skin, and aiding the treatment of arthritis and joint pain. Add ½ to ¼ cup of apple cider vinegar to your horse’s feed once per day. This home remedy can also be used to prevent flies.

Herbs have been shown to be beneficial for horses with hock arthritis

Devils Claw
Yucca
White Willow Bark
Crucumin/Turmeric


There are many herbal and homeopathic remedies that can help to address stiff, painful joints in horses. Homeopathic ingredients such as Apis and Rhus tox can gently, yet effectively support supple joints and ligaments.

Ferrum phos, Nat. Phos. And Calc. Fluor can address imbalances at a cellular level, and help promote strong ligaments, muscles and bones. Arnica can help address pain, bruising and tenderness – without numbing the joint or carrying the risks of harsh drugs

If OP is planning on competing, especially in Endurance which is run under FEI rules, the herbs you have listed are considered banned substances and will result in a positive drug test and the associated consequences. FEI is absolutely zero tolerance on any banned substance and has no issues fining and banning athletes found using them.
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Yeah. The endurance drug rules are kickin'. The drug rules can be basically summed up with, "No drugs. Just no." Even natural stuff. NATRC won't even let you use regumate.

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post #27 of 27 Old 12-19-2013, 12:54 PM
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From a science standpoint, there is little research on oral joint supplements in horses but what I have seen indicates that they are not useful at all as a preventative. For horses that already have joint problems, research isn't definitive about whether or not supplements help. Little of what is ingested is actually absorbed by the gut - something between 2.5 and like 30%. But, just because it is absorbed doesn't mean it's getting into the joint. Most of the compounds in joint supplements are very large molecules, so they are likely broken down for transport and may or may not be reassembled in the same way.

Research aside, in my experience different horses respond to different supplements in different ways. I think it's trial and error with your particular horse and the particular supplement as to whether it's worth feeding. You've got to feed it, though, for a good while before you can make judgement about whether or not it's doing it's intended function. If you think you see results worth the price of the supplement, then hey, continue. If not, maybe your horse doesn't respond to that supplement. Without research, we have to rely on our anecdotal evidence and gut feeling.

I'm speaking entirely about oral supplements...I can't speak to injections. From comments here, sounds like they are working for many.

As for herbals, I would use with caution. There is no regulation on herbals products marketed for horses in the US, and there is almost no research done with herbals in horses. They can also have drug-like action and can cause interactions with other medications - so if you're looking at herbals, I would consult your vet.
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