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post #1 of 56 Old 11-17-2013, 01:07 PM Thread Starter
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Malnutritioned horse and dung question

Hello, i am new to this forum but i need your feedback for my horse.

Me and my wife have rescued a 2.5 years old male horse from a racetrack farm. He was severe malnutritioned for 6 months before we got him. Here is a picture of him the day we got him.

Now after 1 month with regular feeding, and no exercise at all, he did put on a bit of weight, but not what we expected.
I am worried especially about his dung.

It is a bit "runny" not exactly diarrhea, but not normal either.
Is it normal for his age? Or is it something we should be worried about.
He has normal amounts of hay and he is fed twice a day with grain.
It looks a bit like this.

Also, do you have any suggestions on how we can make him gain weight fast? I was reading about adding some oil to his food. Is that a good idea?

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What kind of grain are you feeding? I'm a BIG fan of formulated feeds over raw grains like oats. Not only are they easier for the body to use & digest, but many are cram packed with extra goodies for cases just like this. I'm wondering if probiotics would help this guy out in a big way.
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Have you had him checked for worms? Wouldn't hurt to have his teeth looked at, too, although he is still a baby.
I don't think I would add oil to his feed until you get that poop issue straightened out.

Once he blossoms he looks as if he will be a pretty boy.

What hay is he being fed?
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post #4 of 56 Old 11-17-2013, 06:46 PM
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Definitely not normal. It may be that the grain is too rich for him at the moment if he has been starved before not. You might try just giving him unlimited hay and back off of the grain to see if it helps. I agree that a probiotic (can be mixed into grass pellets or a tiny bit of feed) might help him too. My filly occasionally gets runny poo and probiotics usually help her sort her body back out again.

If it doesn't clear up in a week though, call a vet. If the food is just running through him he will not gain weight no matter how much you feed him.
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What kind of hay are you feeding? Prairie grass, alfalfa, what? Knowing this will help you decide what to add to it. I would stay away from a lot of "sweet feeds" because they can cause more problems than they fix and instead go for something that will balance what he is getting. Also, what kind of regimen is he on for parasites? If he were my horse I would probably get a fecal float on him (about 20 bucks) to see exactly what parasites he's got so that you can give the correct wormer. A lot of these guys don't gain because they have been treated for parasites incorrectly. I also agree with a probiotic.
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It's not normal as the above posters have said. It could be several things. I would take his temperature to make sure he doesn't have something going, if it's normal then I would take the suggestion for deworming him and then I'd even put some yogurt in his feed (the kind with the good bacteria in it). You may consider a dose of ulcergaurd as well.

As for putting weight on a horse. It's crazy how quickly they drop the pounds and how long it takes to put the pounds back on. You could use a product called weight gain that I've found works really well. Because he is so malnutritioned, I would suggest feeding one of the full source feeds, I think there are Junior Horse feeds that are such, but you may want to try the Triple Crown senior feed for a while.

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Hello again and thank you for your replies.

We live in Cyprus, and here is a little bit hard to maintain a horse.

Achilleas, (his name now) is been fed with wheat hay, (we do not have alphaalpha in my country) and a grains which is a mixture of oats, wheat, clover pellets and some other things. It is custom made for the guy that owns the farm.

He was dewormed twice since we took him to the farm. I think with two different types of Quest gel, for two types of worms. Sorry for my ignorance but we call them white and red worms.

I will try to find probiotics at the local pet pharmacy. Maybe they have. Or i will try to order online.

I think i will have to call the vet. It is expensive to call a vet here. Almost 100 bucks just to visit you.
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such a pretty boy you have there!

For how long have you had him and what was he eating before?
What he is eating right now is all very high in sugars and starch, and most likely lacking some important minerals also. Can you take him off the grain mix and feed free choice hay, maybe try to find him some plain grass hay? Definitely a vitamin/ mineral supplement with a good calcium content, since just about all he's getting from his feed is phosphorus at the moment.
If you can find Brewer's Yeast, that would be a probiotic.
Important right now is really that he is seen by a vet, to make sure there is nothing really wrong with him. it will be cheaper if you catch it early, should there be something.
Keep hay in front of him all the time, that will be a great help for him to gain weight and avoid ulcers and such. Maybe you could find alfalfa pellets or chaff, and add the vit/min some salt, and maybe a little oats. My guess is that his current grain is too rich fir him.
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Free choice hay to my understanding i an all you can eat hay?

What i know he was taken away from the racehorse farm, to an unknown location for about 6 months. Then they return him back to the farm 2 days before we saw him, at bad condition. My guess is that he was fed only small amounts of hay for that 6 months period. It is now been 1 month that we had him.

Someone told us that feeding him with a lot of hay will not help him gain weight, so we are cutting him back on the hay.

We could cut back half his grain intake and add some supplements.
Brewer's Yeast is not something i think i can find in my country. But i could check around for something similar.

He was check by a vet, but for injuries only. I will ask to be called again. To take a closer look this time.

A guy that owns racehorses, told me that we could ask for baby powder milk to add to his food. This way he can gain weight faster, and maybe some more vitamins. What do you think about this crazy idea?
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Hi geocy, welcome to the forum and thank you for taking this horse in and caring for him, and not being afraid to ask questions and take advice! He looks like a cute wee thing, I demand more photos haha

Don't cut his hay back, yes free choice hay is as much as he can eat. Hay is good for him, while hay on it's own may not help him gain weight, it is important for him to have something in his gut at all times in order for his gut to work correctly. He needs as much hay as he can possibly eat, if you are going out to see him and he has finished his hay pile then he is not getting enough hay.

I do think cutting back on the grain and upping supplements is a good idea, I don't know what feeds you can and can't get in Cyprus so I can't help you on that one, though if you know what your feed store carries maybe you can type up a list here and people can help you decide which feeds to go for?

Personally I wouldn't add baby milk powder to his feed, I have heard of it being good and whatnot but I wouldn't do it.

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