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post #1 of 15 Old 03-22-2013, 08:48 PM Thread Starter
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May have to switch feeds. Suggestions and????

With last summers drought and hay shortage and quality available, we started feeding triumph complete. And are quite happy with it. The horses look great, aren't hot, and still have plenty of energy and stamina. We only feed a scoop each daily. No I haven't and don't weigh it, but they were gettin a lil chubby on two scoops a day so we backed it down slowly and are happy with how they are currently. They have free access to decent to good quality grass hay round bales and have some grass in the summer. They range in age from 5 to 25 mares and geldings. No breeding. They are in moderate to heavy work 9 months of the year and light work the other 3 months. They never sit more then a few weeks in the dead of winter. Even then are worked in hand and on manners and lounged. I think I covered who I'm feedin.
No my issue. I went to buy feed today and they only had one sack. Not cool. I usually buy at least 3. Hmmm. Apperently, they are going to carry less different feeds. They have every feed nutrena makes I think, and many others and even just added wrangler. It's a farm store, actually on a farm lol. Family run. I can see why they may want to have a lil less inventory. But they may or may not continue to carry the complete. The guy that handles the feed sales was gone for the weekend, find out for sure Monday when he calls me.
Onto my question. What would be comparable to triumph complete? Or what would be a good replacement? Or??????? I am open to suggestions. I really want to continue buying from them for a few reasons, I drive past the farm everyday and anywhere that carries anything other then sweet feed is 20miles or more away. I also can have custom feed made at a local mill (25miles away, but they make it in 900lbs lots so the drive would be ok) but not sure where to start with that.
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post #2 of 15 Old 03-22-2013, 08:50 PM Thread Starter
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post #3 of 15 Old 03-22-2013, 09:14 PM
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I don't has any suggestions on what to feed but just wanted to say those ingredients are really scary. It's really disturbing that it just says "grain products" And "forage products". It doesn't even specify what it is, it could be anything really. Wouldn't catch me feeding that to my horse. I'm sure everyone else will have better suggestions, but just food for thought :)
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Agree with TKButtermilk. The scary part is "byproducts"...means anything not fit for using in good feed.
I have no clue what your scoop full weighs, 2, maybe 3 lbs?
Let me check out the minimum amount to feed. Brb.
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Alright. It says minimum amount to feed for maintenance 0.5 lb per 100 lbs bodyweight. That makes 5 lbs/ 1000lbs which is an average sized horse.
For work anywhere between 0.6 and 1.2 lbs/100 lbs. That means anywhere between 6 and 12 lbs of feed per horse.
I think you'd be better of feeding one of the better Nutrena feeds if extra energy is needed, or for providing necessary nutrients, vitamins and minerals, their ration balancer Empower Balance would be the better choice. 1-2 lbs / horse/ day and you provide everything what's missing in a hay only diet.
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Thank you. They do have empower balance. Seen it today. I'll look into that.
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Those terms "roughage products", "grain products", "grain by-products" are all why I don't buy these types of feeds.

These companies do, indeed guarantee the percentages of listed vitamins and minerals BUT, when they list things like "roughage, by-products", etc, that means they can use anything they darn well please, in that category, to get up to those guaranteed percentages.

They aren't lieing about the guaranteed percentages but those generic "ingredient" terms makes their formulas not fixed

I much prefer to buy from a company that is willing to list all their ingredients on the bag or on the tag. That might cost a little more money, when writing the check but, in the long term health of the horse, it might possibly save a vet bill.

There's a lady on another forum whose horse is so sensitive, she noticed a difference in his behavior, over a period of time, when buying one of these company's feed who does not have a fixed formula.

She even noticed a difference in the smell when she would open a bag. She was trying to find a place, within her driving distance, to buy some type of feed that has a fixed formula --- meaning they don't say "roughage" or "by-products".

I hope that made some sort of sense

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post #9 of 15 Old 03-26-2013, 11:12 PM
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Phly,
check this Equine
I really like the 14% Timberridge. It is their most popular. Not sure where you are in Indiana but they have several dealers. Runs around $13.50 a bag (50 lbs).
I used to feed Strategy and SafeChoice before finding this.
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The byproducts may be chaff which provides bulk, ie roughage. Expensive way to buy roughage. Feeding a flake of oat straw would do the same.
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