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post #1 of 20 Old 11-05-2011, 08:29 PM Thread Starter
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My fat pony is still fat

So, we took her off grain (she was eating oats when we acquired her), put a grazing muzzle on her, got her Smartpak EZ Keeper vitamin with Animed Remission top dressing. She eats 2 flakes of hay a day, and grazes with a grazing muzzle for approximately 8 hours. She rarely gets a treat. She was doing pretty well, and then 4 weeks ago, it seems as if she's getting fatter. I am going to weight tape her tomorrow, but I can see her jiggle when she's jogging in the arena and I swear she just looks like she's ballooned out. She is lightly trail ridden and does some arena work, but she's by no means training for a marathon. Maybe she should!

She hasn't been off her routine. I don't know why she LOOKS fatter. I know it is wintertime, but ...

I have had a hard keeper for years, and this pony came with our new home this past April. I have no idea how she winters. I am thinking of adding a Magnesium suppliment to her feed and asking the vet why she's gaining weight when she should be losing.

In the meantime, anyone have any ideas? I read up on IR and Cushings in the summer and I thought she could be a candidate and was planning to test at her annual exam, but I may have her looked at earlier. She does have a cresty neck, but she doesn't have weird fat pockets - she's just ROUND like a barrel! I've never felt her ribs, and I am worried I never will! And she's not lazy at all and likes to run around and go for trail rides. She has really awesome feet, but I am concerned.

Should I just scrap grazing all together? I suppose I could double duct tape her grazing muzzle and turn her out so at least she could hang out with my hard keeper, because he HAS to graze, and he gets stressed now and won't eat very well if she's not in the pasture with him. Do you think that will help?
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post #2 of 20 Old 11-05-2011, 09:17 PM
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Are you absolutely sure she's not Preggars?

I wouldn't tape her grazing muzzle shut because then she can't drink water. I know folks that do that and I cringe when I hear it.

I honestly believe it's vet time and ask first and foremost if she could be carrying a foal. I know that's not what you want to hear, but it seems these days many mares are arriving at their new homes in foal and nobody knew about it.

If she isn't carrying a foal and, after all you've done, it sounds like the vet needs to run some tests on her. The vet might prescribe Thyro-L if she meets the criteria (including whatever he reads on her blood work). It will help a horse lose weight, but it's something the horse has to be taken back off of gradually.
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post #3 of 20 Old 11-05-2011, 09:33 PM Thread Starter
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Are you absolutely sure she's not Preggars?

I wouldn't tape her grazing muzzle shut because then she can't drink water. I know folks that do that and I cringe when I hear it.

I honestly believe it's vet time and ask first and foremost if she could be carrying a foal. I know that's not what you want to hear, but it seems these days many mares are arriving at their new homes in foal and nobody knew about it.

If she isn't carrying a foal and, after all you've done, it sounds like the vet needs to run some tests on her. The vet might prescribe Thyro-L if she meets the criteria (including whatever he reads on her blood work). It will help a horse lose weight, but it's something the horse has to be taken back off of gradually.
I don't think she's pregnant, but I could be wrong. I've never had a mare and I've never foaled a foal, so I wouldn't know. I'm calling the vet Monday first thing. My son keeps telling me she's going to drop a foal any day (but he's 9, so what does he know?). Maybe she is?!? Wouldn't I feel it squiggling around? I brush her every day and check her all over. I thought it would be like a person baby and active. Shows what I know about mares! Now I'm scared!

You are right about the muzzle ... I wasn't thinking! Duh! No I'm not going to tape it! She will definitely need to drink water. She just never drinks a lot of water - it's so strange because my gelding drains his bucket each night and she's only drank a little bit off the top.

Is Thyro-L for Thyroid? I'm going to google it now and check it out. Thanks for the reply!
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post #4 of 20 Old 11-05-2011, 09:38 PM
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I agree with getting vet tests done to know what you're dealing with to treat it accordingly. Easier to do diagnostics now than try to treat founder later.
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post #5 of 20 Old 11-05-2011, 09:40 PM
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After ruling out pregnancy, look into Quiessence by Foxden Equine (can be purchased at SmartPak).

I have a customer who's barn feeds EVERYone remission-so she figured she it was free, she skipped Quiessence for a while. Nearly right away, her gelding's crest started to get huge, so she went back to Quiessence.

It has something to do with hormone function and how magnesium affects it. It's strange, really.

Before I'd try Thyroid L, I'd want to test the thyroid. That used to be a first treatment people went to when dealing with an overweight horse, but so much has changed now-I'd be afraid of treating a non-thyroid problem with a thyroid drug.
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post #6 of 20 Old 11-06-2011, 09:26 AM
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Before I'd try Thyroid L, I'd want to test the thyroid. That used to be a first treatment people went to when dealing with an overweight horse, but so much has changed now-I'd be afraid of treating a non-thyroid problem with a thyroid drug.
Ditto that; it would be my last recourse. I only suggested it because it seems like nothing that's being done is working and the mare is still gaining weight.

I do know a couple folks who hesitatingly put their metabolic horses on it because nothing else was working to get the weight off. It seems once the horses reached their good weight and were backed off the Thyro-L, the weight stayed off.

This thread is a two-edged sword: Fat because there's a baby in there or fat because there's some serious metabolic issues going on. I'm not sure which is worse when you don't want either one?
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post #7 of 20 Old 11-06-2011, 09:58 AM
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im having the same problem with my mare and I know for a fact she isnt in foal. So frustrating she keeps putting on weight, she actually looks like a hot air balloon on legs.
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post #8 of 20 Old 11-06-2011, 10:09 AM
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Cinny is starting to do the same thing, and he's a Gelding. Keep us updated, I"m really interested in what you find, it looks like a good learning experience for all.
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post #9 of 20 Old 11-06-2011, 01:07 PM Thread Starter
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Ok, I am attaching some pics when I get home. The tape says 779. Six weeks ago she was 726. I am going to call Doc Will tomorrow.
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Here are fat Dixie Pictures. My son is in them (he's the one who says she's going to have a foal). I have a video, too, that shows the jiggle and cresty neck better, but you should get the idea. But I'm having a hard time getting it on YouTube. She is 13.2 Welsh/Arab cross. She tends to look skinnier in the photos, which I find amazing, but I wish I could get the video because that really shows the jell-o trot.
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