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    11-06-2011, 05:38 PM
  #11
Green Broke
A Welsh/Arab cross should have a dollface little foal for your son to raise if his prediction is correct.

"Out of the Mouth of Babes", wouldn't it something if he ended up saying "I told you so"

I have this big honkin' TV-sized computer screen but I can't figure out how to get the color adjustments fixed so everything is skewed. Meaning I can partially see my Wallpaper right thru your mare

I can't wait to hear what the vet says but in the meantime, if you'd like to know the really old-fashioned way to tell if there's a baby in there:

Tie a couple pieces of binder twine together or get a huge piece of string.

Measure her tummy just behind where the girth would go. Keep the string not-too-tight and not-too-loose; pay attention to that

Precisely mark where the string meets with a black marker.

Go to the back of the tummy, where it is still round (before it starts thinning down as it curves toward the flank area).

Repeat the measuring process with the same string (paying attention to keep the tension the same as before).

Also make sure to place it in the same direction as previously (your mark should be facing you).

Mark the string, like you did for the front.

Take the string off her and look to see where the two marks are.

If they are within one or two inches of each other, she MIGHT very well be carrying a foal. I have never seen it be wrong, but that doesn't mean a whole lot in this day and age - lol

Do you know the conditions she came from? Did she happen to be in a pen "with her son?" If so, that tummy could really be suspicious.

You got her in April, it can take 10 - 13 months (the average is 11) for a foal to be born, so if she is in foal the vet will be able to tell
     
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    11-06-2011, 06:37 PM
  #12
Weanling
She was living on our property with a trick pony that the previous owners took with them on the road doing trick pony shows, but the trick pony was a gelding. They didn't have room for Dixie and since pony didn't like her, they just wanted to leave her behind. Apparently, though, the trick pony was mean and they often spent time in separate pastures. They did tell me that she escaped a few times. I only mention this because no more than 1/4 mile from here is an arabian horse farm with 4 stallions. I don't know if she ever got in there or if they found her there, but now I wonder!! But the stallions there are well fenced. I'm not sure how determined horses can be to mate, but one horse would've had to have been quite an acrobat.

I will try the string thing tomorrow while waiting on the vet.

Coincidentally, she has NEVER escaped since she paired up with my gelding. He is very nice to her and they are always together in the pasture, like two peas in a pod. Plus, we've improved the fencing, too, so I think that helps a lot! She is not at all 'marish'. She is very sweet and loving and will put her head next to yours with very gentle, gentle pressure (not nosey or passive/aggressive horse stuff). I don't think she was ever pet before we got her. She was very shocked the first time we started brushing her (now she LOVES it). But I can't figure out her eating issues to save my bacon.

I hope she isn't pregnant only because I know I am not ready to raise a foal. If she has dietary issues, I could handle that because I've been doing that with Bucky for ages, so it seems like it would be par for the course. I've just never had a FAT horse, which makes it tricky for me.

I can't wait to hear from Doc Will tomorrow!
     
    11-06-2011, 09:29 PM
  #13
Banned
Read this post by Mark: Just went semi shoeless - have questions
     
    11-06-2011, 09:56 PM
  #14
Banned
I'm so sorry--please ignore my previous post! Put it on the wrong thread....
     
    11-06-2011, 10:08 PM
  #15
Weanling
Quote:
Originally Posted by bubba13    

Thanks for the interesting read!

I'm not sure, though, what this has to do with Dixie being fat. Am I missing something?
     
    11-06-2011, 10:10 PM
  #16
Weanling
Quote:
Originally Posted by bubba13    
I'm so sorry--please ignore my previous post! Put it on the wrong thread....
Thanks for the clarification. I was seriously racking my brain to find the correlation ... read the whole thread several times, even! I thought I was a real idiot for not getting it!
     
    11-08-2011, 08:39 AM
  #17
Weanling
OK, she's NOT pregnant! Phew!

Doctor Will took blood and is going to test her for IR and Cushings. He thinks she is most likely IR, and says I should add a Magnesium suppliment to her feed. He recommended the Smartpak one since she's already on Smartpak, he says that would probably be easiest and he knows a few other IR horses that use the Smartpak one with success. He also wants me to soak her hay before hanging it in her stall and to keep her in the dry lot for more time and graze her less.

This means I will need to up my HKs feed because he will not graze if she's in another field. He just stands by the fence waiting for her, and even if I drop a big pile of hay, he won't touch it. Doctor Will said I could increase his feed or I could get him a small companion. Maybe I should get a mini donkey/horse as a companion? I have another stall, I just don't want to take care of one more animal, but if he won't eat without company ... I'll have to think about it. I've always wanted a burro, actually. Maybe I can find one. I am leaning more towards a donkey or burro because this is my first pony, and they are a headache. I can only imagine a mini horse would be prone to the same issues. If anyone has minis and can tell me I'm wrong, please let me know. I'm thinking something small because they eat less ... are there such things as mini mules??? That seems like it would be perfect.

I should get the blood test results soon, and I will keep you updated.
     
    11-08-2011, 12:24 PM
  #18
Green Broke
Good news on not being Preggars although your son's probably disappointed

Yes there are mini mules but you might not want a mini anything as they are all prone to over-stuffing themselves and ending up with metabolic issues.

How about a goat? Just not a Billy so you can avoid getting head-butted in the most sensitive of places. That happened to me once; I was sure glad I was done having children - lollol

When you get the blood results back, ask your vet if a grazing muzzle would be acceptable, so she can stay with the other horse?

Both of mine have lost enough weight wearing theirs that the vet said they really didn't need to lose anymore going into winter. I can feel their ribs if I press a little on their sides.

Yes, yes, and yes to the magnesium oxide. When it's put together for metaoblic horses, most times it also has chromium added to it.

Magnesium does two things: calms horses down and stabilizes glucose.

Horses react different to insulin spikes (they can grab something in the hay to spike it). I have one who gets spooky, anxious & nippy. The other one wants to go to sleep. I have seen him rest his chin on the pipe rail and doze off

Vets seem to be on the rail about feeding soy. Some metabolic horses cannot tolerate any soy, some can tolerate a little. I have one of each and third horse that has soy allergies, so nobody gets soy

That's why I feed the vit/min supplement EquiPride.

The protein source in all (at least I think all of them) ration balancers is soy. While a ration balancer would be a great thing to feed a metabolic horse, if that particular horse has insulin spikes due to soy, you're SOL

At least winter's coming so you can have a bit of time to think all this out and even experiment with some products before spring grass gets here. Although fall grass can be equally as dangerous.

Thank you for letting us know the outcome. I will be curious to hear what her insulin level is when you get that
     
    11-08-2011, 05:38 PM
  #19
Weanling
My pony already has a grazing muzzle and been wearing it for months when out grazing! She's a pig disguised as a pony!

My vet said pony breeds tend to be, "persistent little buggers and will keep eating and eating and eating until they find a way to eat more." So she needs to wear the muzzle, but less time in the pasture. Good thing she doesn't take it personally!

She also doesn't get the RB (my HK gets that). She is only on Smartpak EZ Keeper Grass, which is a dollop of alfalfa pellets with vitamins in them, and some Animed Remission on top ... and she somehow is still gaining weight on that. Kind of strains the mind, don't it?

Yes, I don't think I want a mini anything, even though they are so cute! I would like a burro, but my husband says if we get another pasture animal, it has to be useful, so I think it would be a mule we could ride or a female goat we could milk (oh wait, I meant that I could milk ... because I have nothing else to do ...). But the problem with the goat is, sadly, our fencing isn't 'goat proof'. We just have electric fencing, and any goat worth their goaty salt can get through that in a second. I would never get a Billy - I heard they STINK and pee on their own faces! YUCK!

I will keep you updated and let you all know how the magnesium suppliment helps (it's coming with her Smartpak this month as I ordered it today) and what her blood levels are. Ponies!
     
    11-10-2011, 09:25 PM
  #20
Foal
Just a thought, I had my pony with a grazing muzzle, but I didn't want her to eat anything with it on. So I sewed a patch over the hole at the bottom of the muzzle so that she couldn't eat anything, but she could still get water through it. Just an idea...
     

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