My feed store changed their product line, what is a ration balancer?? - The Horse Forum

 1Likes
  • 1 Post By poppy1356
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 6 Old 08-06-2012, 05:01 PM Thread Starter
Weanling
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Thunder Bay, Ontario Canada
Posts: 482
• Horses: 4
My feed store changed their product line, what is a ration balancer??

My feed store used to sell nutrena products and I fed my horses nutrena safechoice. They are now selling masterfeeds products and tell me that Masterfeeds VTM 20 is very close to Nutrena safe choice. It retails for 25$ a bag but this week they have it on special for 10$ a bag because they are just introducing the masterfeeds line. On the bag it says this is a ration balancer and to feed it one part VTM 20 and 2 parts oats. I don't feed oats I have always used the nutrena safechoice as a complete feed along with free choice hay. Has anyone used this masterfeeds product?? Is it any good ?? Can I feed it alone like a grain or do I really need to buy oats and mix it. I bought several bags of it but now I am worried I didnt purchase the right kind of grain for my horses. I don't want anything that will make them hot I only feed grain because I have no pasture to speak of and they get hay year round
ARTEMISBLOSSOM is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 6 Old 08-06-2012, 05:17 PM
Started
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Kansas
Posts: 1,567
• Horses: 7
If your horses get their daily energy requirements from their hay, you don't have to feed with grain. You just give 0.25% of the horse's body weight per day.
Posted via Mobile Device

ETA: I tried looking at the website but couldn't make it work, so I don't know what the ingredients are.
aforred is offline  
post #3 of 6 Old 08-06-2012, 05:24 PM
Showing
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Ontario
Posts: 17,193
• Horses: 0
I have a little problem with the name as they have no idea of the nutrients one is feeding to know if this balances their feed. It would take bloodwork to see what the horse is lacking to know this and even then..........I think the name is just a hook. You need to check the list of what it is providing with other feeds.
Saddlebag is offline  
post #4 of 6 Old 08-06-2012, 05:57 PM Thread Starter
Weanling
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Thunder Bay, Ontario Canada
Posts: 482
• Horses: 4
oh this is not sounding very good saddlebag perhaps I should try and take them back and get something else. I don't feed grain in the summer but my horses are out 24 / and it gets very cold here in the winter. I feed them a bit of grain because I don't want them to lose weight in the winter I have a list of the ingredients they are

THIS FEED CONTAINS ADDED SELENIUM AT 1.50 MG/KG.
GUARANTEED ANALYSIS:
CRUDE PROTEIN (MIN. %) 20.00 IODINE (ACT. MG/KG) 4
CRUDE FAT (MIN. %) 2.00 IRON (ACT. MG/KG) 400
CRUDE FIBRE (MAX. %) 8.00 COPPER (ACT. MG/KG) 150
CALCIUM (ACT. %) 2.80 MANGANESE (ACT. MG/KG) 250
PHOSPHORUS (ACT. %) 1.50 ZINC (ACT. MG/KG) 400
MAGNESIUM (ACT. %) 0.35 COBALT (ACT. MG/KG) 2
SODIUM (ACT. %) 0.60 FLUORINE (MAX. MG/KG) 70
POTASSIUM (ACT. %) 1.10 VITAMIN A (MIN. IU/KG) 32,000
VITAMIN D (MIN. IU/KG) 7,000
VITAMIN E (MIN. IU/KG) 800


ARTEMISBLOSSOM is offline  
post #5 of 6 Old 08-07-2012, 01:08 PM
Green Broke
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 3,444
• Horses: 1
A ration balancer is just like a multivitamin. It is nothing like safechoice. Safechoice is a complete feed which means it includes calories. A ration balancer is for easy keepers as it only contains vitamins/minerals and no excess calories. Which is why they would say to mix with oats which I would never do as that will give way to much unneeded energy.

Looking at that label it is a low fat high protein supplement. If your horse does not need extra calories and does fine on just his hay or pasture you will be fine. But too much protein may not be to good. I would just call and ask your vet.

Also be aware this feed contains added Selenium. You need to make sure your horse is not getting to much selenium as this is poison in to high of quantities.
verona1016 likes this.
poppy1356 is offline  
post #6 of 6 Old 08-08-2012, 11:55 AM
Trained
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 5,286
• Horses: 1
A ration balancer is just an alternative to fortified grains. Most ration balancers are low-grain or grain-free (which is better for your horse anyway) and are there to fill in the holes you would have from feeding just hay/grass and work very well for easy keepers or horses that need a low starch diet. Most feed brands have a ration balancer- Nutrena's is Empower Balance- so I'm not sure why your feed store wouldn't have recommended something more like SafeChoice from the new brand.

The protein levels look high percentage wise, but you feed much less than a traditional feed (like SafeChoice) so the overall amount of protein the horse gets is equivalent. For example, if you fed 1 lb of this feed at 20% protein, the horse would be getting 0.2 lbs of protein. If you feed 3 lbs of a fortified grain at 14% protein, the horse would get 0.42 lbs of protein, so even though the percentage is higher on the ration balancer, the horse is getting less protein.

I'm not familiar with Masterfeeds, and I'd be leery of feeding a ration balancer that says to feed it with oats, as that defeats what I consider the main benefits of a ration balancer (i.e. Low starch and low calorie). I'd recommend using FeedXL.com to see if the horse's diets would be missing anything without the oats.
verona1016 is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the The Horse Forum forums, you must first register.

Already have a Horse Forum account?
Members are allowed only one account per person at the Horse Forum, so if you've made an account here in the past you'll need to continue using that account. Please do not create a new account or you may lose access to the Horse Forum. If you need help recovering your existing account, please Contact Us. We'll be glad to help!

New to the Horse Forum?
Please choose a username you will be satisfied with using for the duration of your membership at the Horse Forum. We do not change members' usernames upon request because that would make it difficult for everyone to keep track of who is who on the forum. For that reason, please do not incorporate your horse's name into your username so that you are not stuck with a username related to a horse you may no longer have some day, or use any other username you may no longer identify with or care for in the future.



User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.


Old Thread Warning
This thread is more than 90 days old. When a thread is this old, it is often better to start a new thread rather than post to it. However, If you feel you have something of value to add to this particular thread, you can do so by checking the box below before submitting your post.

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
* i cant figure out where to buy a ration balancer LoveMyAppyx0o Horse Health 11 04-21-2012 09:00 AM
Ration Balancer loveyourhorse Horse Nutrition 10 03-08-2012 12:56 PM
Ration Balancer sillybunny11486 Horse Health 3 12-04-2009 12:45 PM
Ration Balancer? SavvyHearts Horse Health 0 09-29-2009 11:45 AM
Ration Balancer appylover31803 Horse Health 21 06-24-2009 08:37 AM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome