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post #11 of 22 Old 03-29-2013, 09:50 AM
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Do not give Black oil sunflower seeds (BOSS) to an older horse. They promote inflammation with their ratio of omega 3 to 6. I wouldn't give it to any horse but especially not an older one. Ground flax or flax oil is a much, much better choice.
That's good to know, I'd only heard of people giving it... Didn't realize it was counterproductive to the Senior.

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post #12 of 22 Old 03-29-2013, 09:56 AM
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Drumrunner has a good thread about good and bad oils on here somewhere. Tons of good info in it. I know it's in the nutrition section.
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I was just in a similar situation - I got an older, very skinny Belgian.

I started, like you, with hay cubes soaked, which he did eat, but he didn't seem to comprehend he got water from that and drank just as much as he normally would - thus flooding his stall into a swamp. That didn't help his thrush or scratches much.
He was on 50/50 hay cubes soaked (2 quarts soaked 4 times a day) with 1/2 cup of canola oil in each (totally 2 cups). He was also on Nutrena ration balancer. He was on a supplement for his Cushings, but also MSM (for his joints) and Brewer's Yeast (for all the essential B vitamins to help his skin and coat and hooves).
Then I discovered his stall flooding issue was because of all the soaked food.
So I switched him to Nutrena Empower Boost - this is a rice bran based supplement. What I like about it is, while it has a healthy protein level, it has a high level of fat - even better it has a good balance of Omegas. It's also got other essential vitamins and minerals not usually found in grains.
He's on 2 pounds of that (split between 2 meals) a day, with his MSM and Brewer's Yeast mixed in. He's getting only 1 bucket of soaked hay cubes to mix the rest of his medicines into with 1 cup of canola oil.

The ricebran supplement (Empower Boost) has really made a difference for him!
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Try alfalfa pellets, only a handful, soaked, mixed in the feed. Then increase in little steps. Moisten the senior feed, too, and mix very well, he can't pick out the goodies then. Just about all senior feeds contain alfalfa an beetpulp, so, if started slowly, he shouldn't be turning his nose up, really. Maybe it was just too much.
Ricebran, canola oil, flax, all good sources of calories. And, a good senior feed should already have at least 5% fat and he easily digestable. Which one are you feeding, and how much?
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We had a mare that wouldn't touch beet pulp. We had to start her out with a small amount mixed in a sweet feed. Slowly, we upped the amount of beet pulp and lessened the sweet feed. After she was eating mostly just pulp, she was walked by a full bag of the pulp that hadn't been soaked yet. She attacked the bag.

For some horses, beet pulp is an acquired taste. Kind of like coffee for us. I can't stand coffee. I know that if I did drink it often, I would get used to it, but I have no intention of doing it.
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post #16 of 22 Old 03-29-2013, 11:52 AM Thread Starter
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Do not give Black oil sunflower seeds (BOSS) to an older horse. They promote inflammation with their ratio of omega 3 to 6. I wouldn't give it to any horse but especially not an older one. Ground flax or flax oil is a much, much better choice.
That is good to know, because I was going to try BOSS. I have to go to the feed store Monday or Tuesday and I am going to see if they have flax, flax oil, or alfalfa pellets. I will try those and see. I know that if the grass would come in he would probably pick up quickly. He is on about 30 acres with two other horses.
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Some alfalfa pellets with flax seed or oil top dressed would probably do best by him. Once he has a full pasture then he might be fine.
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Try alfalfa pellets, only a handful, soaked, mixed in the feed. Then increase in little steps. Moisten the senior feed, too, and mix very well, he can't pick out the goodies then. Just about all senior feeds contain alfalfa an beetpulp, so, if started slowly, he shouldn't be turning his nose up, really. Maybe it was just too much.
Ricebran, canola oil, flax, all good sources of calories. And, a good senior feed should already have at least 5% fat and he easily digestable. Which one are you feeding, and how much?
I started out feeding purina senior as that is what a friend who trains horses recommended, but recently we switched to an old feed mill that actually makes their own feed and still sells it in burlap bags. Before we switched, my friend had taken a sample of it 4 h for them to analize it and found it it was a superior feed, so both her and I switched. I can tell you this, it smells good enough that I would be willing to eat it! We give him a 3quart scoop in the morning and in the evening along with 2 scoops of the dreaded beet pulp that we add the water, mix it all up, put in the suppliments and give it to him. He still sits and picks through it till he get most of the sweet feed out, leaving beet pulp. He did the same thing with alfalfa cubes. I think the pellets may be more disguisable.
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I just got 50 lbs of flax seed for 30$ from my local feedmill. I grind it for every feeding, give 1 cup a day.
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I'd love to know what's in your feed
2 scoops dry beetpulp? That's a lot. Start with only a handful. He'll gobble that right up with the feed, and then give a little more each day. Emphasis on little
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