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        09-21-2012, 08:22 PM
      #11
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by aforred    
    Rice bran is fine to use for long periods of time IF you buy the stabilized fortified kind. Stabilized means it has a longer shelf life. Fortified means added calcium to balance the high phosphorus content.
    Yes, so long as it's fed *as part of well balanced nutrition* it's fine. It's high particularly in phosphorus(not sure of it's full analysis), so extra calcium may balance that, but the extra Ca may imbalance other nutrients, such as Mg. So I'd personally want to look into that. Again, Feedxl.com ... & no, I don't work for them, just reckon it's a great service!
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        09-22-2012, 12:57 AM
      #12
    Foal
    Thank you both for the replies! It will help a lot in my research on what to feed her. :)
         
        09-22-2012, 01:09 AM
      #13
    Foal
    Also, If I was to stop the TC Complete I feel like a diet of her alfalfa and flaxseed/and or rice bran or whatever I choose isn't enough or a complete diet. Is there any other recommended grain?
         
        09-22-2012, 01:55 AM
      #14
    Green Broke
    If you have a choice in what to feed, you should consider switching away from TC Complete- I generally like Triple Crown, but that particular formula is one of their highest NSC products (molasses is the 2nd ingredient on the list!). You're also feeding below their recommended amount (5-15 lbs/day) so your horse isn't getting sufficient vitamins/minerals or, from the sounds of it, calories. Triple Crown Senior would be a better choice if you want to stick with a fortified grain, but even better would be to go to a grain-free diet.

    You've already gotten some very good advice (I love beet pulp and rice bran), and I second the recommendation for FeedXL.com, especially since you're horse is only getting alfalfa hay and that can be a little harder to balance than a grass hay diet, since most of the country feeds grass or grass/alfalfa mix and the fortified grains tend to reflect that.
         
        09-22-2012, 02:00 AM
      #15
    Foal
    I will give the website a try when I get paid :) I also could take her some grass hay mid morning-early afternoon if that would help out at all, too.
         
        09-22-2012, 03:19 AM
      #16
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by dally2012    
    Also, If I was to stop the TC Complete I feel like a diet of her alfalfa and flaxseed/and or rice bran or whatever I choose isn't enough or a complete diet. Is there any other recommended grain?
    Not grain IMO. Grain is not necessarily bad, but it is high starch, which horses don't deal easily with, so I'd personally choose a low starch, high fibre alternative if you feel the need to give her more. Re 'complete' diets, this is about nutritional content & balance & while TC is 'fortified' with a load of minerals, I'm willing to bet it's not a well balanced feed anyway. Have you also looked at how it balances considering what else you feed, because that's very relevant too.

    Yes, alfalfa & ricebran & flax are not likely to give her a well balanced diet (tho alfalfa is very high in Ca so may balance the extra Phos in ricebran). It is likely the horse will need some kind of supplementation. Feedxl will help work out what exactly is best for your horse in her situation & diet.
         
        09-24-2012, 04:22 PM
      #17
    Foal
    I'd take her off the triple crown, and put her on something like semionle wellness perform safe. It is a low starch, high fat pellet feed. I used it on my boy when he was on training because he was losing weight and I was having a hard time toning him - alot like your situation. The good thing about this feed is that it is low starch to keep them 'level headed' and they don't go crazy. Starches are no good for them. I was very pleased with this feed. As far as feeding recommendations for the pellet, the information is on the bag. But I would give pellet twice a day. I would add flax to her diet as well, it will give her a nice shine and other fatty acids she will need.

    For more calories, I would add beet pulp WITHOUT molasses, to her diet. Just make sure you soak it really well about two hours before you feed. Beet pulp is very good for them. Two - two and a half quarts of beet pulp 2 times a day. You can mix it in with the grain or put it in a separate bucket. I like mixing it with their grain and I love feeding it because then you can sneak supplements, medicine, almost anything to picky eaters.

    So I'm guessing she gets two flakes of alfalfa a day? She is going to need more than that. Horses really should get constant roughage to keep healthy. Invest in a hay net so she will have to work at it for awhile instead of eating it within an hour or so. But what I would do (if you have the option to do this) is put the flake of alfalfa in the hay net in the morning and give a flake of Timothy or T/O - some kind of nice grass hay on the ground as well. That way when she finishes the grass hay off she will have to work to get the good stuff (the alfalfa). If she finishes the alfalfa off before the next hay feeding, I'd put another grass hay flake in the net and let her continue to work on that. Then at night feeding - I'd put the 1 flake of alfalfa in the net and the grass hay on the ground. This will insure that she is getting enough small meals all day. Some people like to double up on the hay nets so it takes them longer to eat it. This is also a good idea because if they are in a small pasture or stall then it will keep them from getting bored and will keep them out of trouble :p But a working horse should be getting at least 4 flakes of hay a day regardless, at least two or more being a grass hay.

    Good Luck with your horse!

    EDIT: I forgot to add! Generic metamucil works great for the sand. My horses are keep on a lot of sand and I do metamucil once a month. They get 2 scoops twice a day for 7 days.
         

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