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    10-08-2012, 09:22 PM
  #11
Green Broke
ProAdvantage looks like a decent brand. They have 3 ration balancers: ProAdvantage Grass, ProAdvantage Alfalfa, and ProAdvantage Adult Supplement. I'm not entirely sure what the difference is between the Grass and Adult, as they look like they have only minor differences on the guaranteed analysis. If both are carried by your store, you might call up one of their reps/nutritionists and see which they'd recommend.

In studies, horses haven't been shown to be capable of self-regulating any mineral other than salt, so no need to have loose trace minerals available (but you should still offer a salt block and/or loose salt).

I'm not familiar with SpringTime, but their Joint Health Formula looks reasonable for the price. I'm a little intrigued that one of the key ingredients listed is 'carrot powder,' which I've never heard of for joint care. The others- MSM, glucosamine, chondroitin sulfate, and boswellia are all pretty typical in joint supplements.
     
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    10-08-2012, 11:02 PM
  #12
Yearling
I use their Longevity for my dogs, and it contains their dog joint health formula. My Rottweiler has elbow dysplasia, and after a month on the Longevity he stopped limping completely. He also is very prone to bloat and as long as he gets the Longevity he is not gassy at all. One of my other dogs, a GSD, had knee surgery and she's on the Longevity due to arthritis. My third dog, another GSD, gets Longevity for preventative reasons. Due to my experience with this product, I'd love to give their equine products a try.
     
    10-09-2012, 03:11 AM
  #13
Trained
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Originally Posted by nikelodeon79    
Despite owning horses for over 20 years, I know next to nothing about grain/feed.
Katy Watts | Safergrass.org , Dr Kellon's site, feedxl.com & other good sites should provide you with enough good(up to date, scientific) info to help you understand what's what & what's needed. Generally, a natural diet is healthy & adequate, but this (esp with 'improved' fertiliser, grasses, etc) generally doesn't give a horse well balanced nutrition. Therefore a good complete supp or 'ration balancer' is important.

Given your horses are mostly 'easy keepers' on 24/7 pasture, keeping them healthy might be more about restricting grazing than adding anything much!

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I'd like to have something around just to offer for a "treat" now and again. I've been told to just give plain oats. Is that a good idea?
If it's only very small quantities(like a handful) & occasional use, yes, oats are *generally*(wouldn't give them to an IR/laminitis prone horse or one with gut probs such as ulcers) OK. If you were thinking of larger quantities or regularly given, I'd be inclined to keep it low starch/sugar healthy treats. Eg. Bits of apple or carrot(again sparingly or not at all to IR horses), rosehips, milk thistle, fruit tree leaves, bit of chaff.... or if you feed a pelleted feed or nutritional supp, some of what they're getting already.

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Royale: 29 year old Arab gelding. I'm thinking he might start to need some sort of supplementing soon, due to his age. A friend of mine swears by Triple Crown Senior,
Yeah, I'd personally be looking for something without molasses, but TC seems OK apart from that. Older horses stop doing so well on hay/grass mostly due to their teeth. At 29yo you would hope they're not in bad disrepair yet, but he may need more frequent dental work. I would wait & see how he goes & not feed him extra in case of the possibility he may lose too much.

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Cody: 22 year old QH gelding. Starting to get stiff in his rear legs.
Perhaps a joint supp, ACV or such added to his other supplements?

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Warrior: yearling Shetland pony colt. He will be kept in a paddock with free choice shelter until the other horses get used to him.
While your other horses may need to be restricted, these little guys will most definitely need it. I wouldn't entertain the thought of putting them out on a couple of acres of unrestricted grazing, let alone 30! They may be OK turned out with the rest with grazing muzzles on though. You might gain some more insight into why from Equine Cushing's and Insulin Resistance Information

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Eclipse: 7 year old Paint/TB gelding. He is being boarded and is on box stall board, which means he is turned out when it's nice and in a stall when it's not. ....his previous owner had been graining him daily.
I would personally get him out of the stall board ASAP & turned out 24/7. If you can't do that for some reason, I'd insist he was turned out every day for the full day at least, regardless of weather, &/or ensure you can take him out for walks, pref at least a couple of times daily. There are a number of reasons why it's bad for a horse's health & wellbeing to be kept cooped up, so this should be avoided unless absolutely necessary.

If he's healthy, a good weight, etc, he shouldn't need anything more than grass/hay and a nutritional supp either. If he does need more 'condition' then I'd personally choose a low starch, easily digestible alternative to grain, but if you are going to feed grain or other high starch feed, you can minimise the 'side effects' by ensuring you only feed as much as absolutely necessary, you feed well processed, not whole grain, and you feed it little & often(ie at least 2-3 small feeds daily minimum).
     
    10-09-2012, 07:55 AM
  #14
Green Broke
You've received a lot of great advice.

Getting your Fella to 30 without issue is a monumental feat But it probably is time to re-think his diet to help his digestive tract continue to process like it should Less is more when it comes to what goes in the feed pan; the less it takes for him to get his vitamins/minerals, the better his digestive tract will be.

My Arab is 26-1/2, has mild gastric ulcers, four missing molars, an ancient vertebra injury.

He was a starving horse poster child when I rescued him over 19 years ago and has always been a hard keeper. He is worse now and the Old Curmudgeon has gotten very persnicketty about hay quality these days

My Arab generally has 22 acres he shares with three other horses but I have shut ten acres off, partly due to the fact we are in archery season.

He is a very slow and cautious eater but has had some very light choke episodes that he worked himself out of. I attribute that to the missing molars, so I wet his food.

I don't soak it but I do add water right before I feed him. That also helps blend his arthritis and ulcer meds in, so his smart little self won't blow them out or eat around them

I recently switched him to Triple Crown Senior. He also gets one pound of equine rice bran, daily. He seems to be doing better on the TC Senior. Along with his ulcer meds. I also feed him Omega-3 Horsehine and Brewer's Yeast to keep things moving.

The Brewer's Yeast is "Diamond V", comes in a 50 lb bag and is really cheap. You could feed it to all your horses; this was something my vet recommended. The TWH's get two tablespoons TWICE daily, the Arab only weighs 840 lbs, so gets one tablespoon TWICE daily.

I keep white salt next to the water tubs; my Arab is good about consuming enough salt and water. If your fella could do better, you could always add table salt to his feed. I have two TWH's that don't drink enough - they only need one teaspoon TWICE daily to get them drinking.

Hope this helps but, this is all going to boil down to what you have available within your driving distance.

If you can't find a good quality Senior Feed, I would see how he does with a ration balancer
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    10-09-2012, 05:40 PM
  #15
Yearling
Thanks for all ther helpful advice!

A few notes:
I'm definitely familiar with Cushings. My first pony ended up with Cushings, and did great for several years post-diagnosis on pergolide.

The horses will all be getting their teeth checked/floated on the 19th. I'm hoping for good reports from the vet.

Cody had had issues with laminitis in the past. Also bad feet in general (abscesses, tenderness) and back problems. That's why I retired him so early.

Eclipse is turned out most of the time. He's only stalled in very bad weather, and never for days at a time. The only room at the barn was in stall board, so that's why I didn't choose pasture board.

I'll definitely look into grazing muzzles for the ponies, but the pasture actually is quite poor (overgrazed). I'm frankly surprised the horses stay in good condition without hay during the summer, but somehow they do. That's why I'm worried about starting any of them on feed/grain. I'm worried they'll get overweight.

Anyway, I went to the feed store today. They let me in the back room and there were so many choices, it was overwhelming. I panicked and just got Triple Crown Low Starch and ProAdvantage Grass. My mom's going to freak when she finds out I got pelleted feed.
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    10-09-2012, 07:08 PM
  #16
Trained
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