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    08-30-2012, 05:36 PM
  #11
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Made by omega fields, TSC has it, for the best price. It is 40$ and lasts my two about 3 months
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    08-30-2012, 05:42 PM
  #12
Green Broke
Great! The local TSC should have it then, thanks again!
     
    08-30-2012, 05:48 PM
  #13
Green Broke
Have you tried a fly sheet with neck cover?
I have a mare that is on hydroxyzine every summer or she would get pretty bad too.
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    08-30-2012, 05:52 PM
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Anytime. :)

On the "allergic to something in Strategy" front (lots of serious allergies with my family+pets, it's the worst!), before adding any new supplement-type things, I'd compare ingredient lists between Life Design and Strategy. Then, stay away from adding things with ingredients (if any) that Strategy has but Life Desgin doesn't.
It would be terrible to have it be an ingredient allergy and take him off Strategy, only to add something with the same ingredient he's allergic to.

I've done that (my cat is extremely allergic to fish) and it was terrible. It felt like we were just going in circles symptoms-wise but really, all it was was me making the same mistake over and over.
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    08-30-2012, 06:11 PM
  #15
Green Broke
Thanks everyone, you all have thought of things I haven't so far!


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Originally Posted by natisha    
Have you tried a fly sheet with neck cover?
I have a mare that is on hydroxyzine every summer or she would get pretty bad too.
Asking a stupid question..what is hydroxyzine?
With the humidity here and as much as he sweats and itches during the day I think he would ruin a fly sheet within 2 days. I was told that fly sheets will trap heat and he is the first one to start sweating in the morning :(
Have you heard the same about them?

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Originally Posted by Wallaby    
Anytime. :)

On the "allergic to something in Strategy" front (lots of serious allergies with my family+pets, it's the worst!), before adding any new supplement-type things, I'd compare ingredient lists between Life Design and Strategy. Then, stay away from adding things with ingredients (if any) that Strategy has but Life Desgin doesn't.
It would be terrible to have it be an ingredient allergy and take him off Strategy, only to add something with the same ingredient he's allergic to.

I've done that (my cat is extremely allergic to fish) and it was terrible. It felt like we were just going in circles symptoms-wise but really, all it was was me making the same mistake over and over.
Good idea! I will find an ingredient list of both and see what the differences are.
     
    08-30-2012, 10:44 PM
  #16
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Originally Posted by Ashsunnyeventer    
I'm not any type of "feed guru", but my vet told me that rice bran can lead to brittle bones....
Not true. Every RB product that you can buy is stabilized and has Ca added to balance out the P. RB in it's natural state goes rancid faster than you can get it to the stores and has such an inverted Ca:P it's not of value without adding Ca.

I'd add a heaping tuna fish can (6oz) twice a day of ground flax. If he'll eat it get him up to 2 per meal. Flax seed it much cheaper than the prepackaged flax products ($40/50#) as well as fresher (FAs deteriorate quickly when ground). Is his ventral midline raw was well? My gut would say allergies not sweet itch. What other changes can you quantify. Diet, trees, type of grasses in pasture... When does it start/end? Was he anxious in similar situations with he previous owner? I wouldn't put a fly sheet on him. He looks like he's trash it by dinner. If it is sweet itch, putting him up with a fan blowing on him will keep the bugs off.

Hydroxyzine is an rX antihistamine that has been on the market a few years. It's the gold standard when they don't respond to other products. I'd experiment with other OTC products first. Have you tried regular old Benadryl? How much Dex? Liquid or compounded? Some companies that do the compounding hit it on the head with some products while others act like sugar pills. (My mare responds to the liquid given orally but big fat 0 on the powder form.)
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    08-31-2012, 11:20 AM
  #17
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Originally Posted by Left Hand Percherons    
Not true. Every RB product that you can buy is stabilized and has Ca added to balance out the P. RB in it's natural state goes rancid faster than you can get it to the stores and has such an inverted Ca:P it's not of value without adding Ca.

I'd add a heaping tuna fish can (6oz) twice a day of ground flax. If he'll eat it get him up to 2 per meal. Flax seed it much cheaper than the prepackaged flax products ($40/50#) as well as fresher (FAs deteriorate quickly when ground). Is his ventral midline raw was well?
Yes, but it is concentrated right where the cinch goes. That is one reason he not being ridden lately
My gut would say allergies not sweet itch. What other changes can you quantify. Diet, trees, type of grasses in pasture... When does it start/end?
He is on the same pasture as last year, the only thing as far as feed is the grain change. When he was getting Life Design compete last year he was getting about a pound a day...not very much, just enough to get them to come up and look them over. Last summer he just had a few hives on his shoulders, never thought much about other than maybe the flys got to him in between fly spray application.

Was he anxious in similar situations with he previous owner?
His life has slowed down quite a bit from his old job. He used in rodeos and ranch work. When my husband worked for that rodeo company several years ago, Zorro was a horse in his string. Husband says he never looked like this or ever had any allergic reactions. In the summers he was always slick, shiny and mostly black with maybe some brown dapples. Those horses were on pasture and fed a cheap sweet feed grain when caught up.And he is much less anxious

I wouldn't put a fly sheet on him. He looks like he's trash it by dinner. If it is sweet itch, putting him up with a fan blowing on him will keep the bugs off.
Unfortunately I have no barn, so the fan isn't an option. On the vets suggestion I tried penning him up in the shade but he just throws fits and paces. Like I said before normally I wouldn't care, but I don't want to stress him more and I am trying to put weight on not take it off.

Hydroxyzine is an rX antihistamine that has been on the market a few years. It's the gold standard when they don't respond to other products. I'd experiment with other OTC products first. Have you tried regular old Benadryl? How much Dex? Liquid or compounded? Some companies that do the compounding hit it on the head with some products while others act like sugar pills. (My mare responds to the liquid given orally but big fat 0 on the powder form.)
Thanks on the Hydroxyzine explanation.
I have not tried regular Benadryl. How would I dose it?
He is on the powdered Dex. One foil packet contains 10mg. I tried giving all at once or just half to see if it makes a difference...not much...but it does kinda help with the itching. Just not as much as I would like.

Thanks for your help!
     
    08-31-2012, 11:39 AM
  #18
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You know, im just thinking of what I fed when my mare started having the itchy bumps........
First she was in life design senior...nothing.
Then I had to switch to Purina, strategy healthy edge, because my local TSC can't get their stuff in stock straight....she started with the bumps.....

I went back to life design, not senior, prime this time....she got better

Then I had to get Purina again because all the Prime bags TSC had were moldy and now she us getting a bit itchy again, regardless if how much I spray her.....

I think I'll go get life design again tonight to see if there is a pattern!
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    08-31-2012, 11:43 AM
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She is not half as bad as your guy, tho, maybe because of the Horseshine, maybe because she has a run-in she fleeing to when bugs get bad, maybe because I finally have a flyspray that really works longer than two hours and spray her when I see her agitated?
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    08-31-2012, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by deserthorsewoman    
You know, im just thinking of what I fed when my mare started having the itchy bumps........
First she was in life design senior...nothing.
Then I had to switch to Purina, strategy healthy edge, because my local TSC can't get their stuff in stock straight....she started with the bumps.....

I went back to life design, not senior, prime this time....she got better

Then I had to get Purina again because all the Prime bags TSC had were moldy and now she us getting a bit itchy again, regardless if how much I spray her.....

I think I'll go get life design again tonight to see if there is a pattern!
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That's where I buy my grain too. I was having the mold issue with the Life Design as well. It is too expensive to throw out so I would bag it back up and take it back. They always act like I am trying to pull a fast one on them somehow and it is a hassle to exchange or get a refund. They must go through the Strategy faster because there is always a fresh pallet(I check the date on the bag seam) so that was a huge factor in me switching.

Tonight when I feed I will forget the Strategy for him and just give him the rice bran and see if I notice a change in the next couple of days. The next time I go to town I will get him the other stuff. He has a vet appt next week, hopefully I will find something out.
     

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