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    10-08-2012, 09:38 PM
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Foal
Unhappy Need some serious help on this ottb please!

Okay, hopefully SOMEBODY out there has experience with what I'm dealing with. He's an OTTB, about 11 now. He's 16 hands and a VERY sweet boy on the ground. In the arena he is perfect as well! But on the trails, it's a nightmare. He goes crazy if I don't let him run and if I do he won't calm down after then proceeds to 'dance', side-step, head-bob, crow-hop, bounce in the air, pull back on my hands, grits his teeth like crazy and bites the reins. He just has a french-link snaffle and doesn't need help stopping because he has a VERY light mouth but he is just super antsy. I ride him with plenty of padding and got my saddle refitted especially for his back. He doesn't necessarily like a bit but he doesn't hate it, he'd just rather a hackamore, but you can't show in a hackamore. He LOVES to jump and with jump like 3 feet no problem but he sometimes crow hops before a jump because of excitement. Some trainer at my farm said he'd just sell the guy for how he acted because if he doesn't start to get the picture after months of training then there is no purpose. I said well I like a challenge and want to work with him on it!

Now I think it might be because he is on some hot feed, idk? He gets Triple Crown Complete which is 12% protein and 12% fat. He also gets 2 lbs Ultra Bloom Rice Brain, wheat germ oil, joint combo, electrolytes, probios, and some molasses on his food because he won't eat the electrolytes. Now I am more than willing to switch foods but my issue is he is skinny! He just won't put on the weight. My other pony is such a easy keeper but my new OTTB is just ridiculously difficult. The vet said he could gain about 100 more lbs. My question is though, what feed will put on the weight but not make him hot?

Also, I ride 5 days a week and it's for 2 hours at least everytime. We jump and then go out on a long trail ride with hill work.

Somebody PLEASE help me.
     
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    10-08-2012, 09:46 PM
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Green Broke
Beet pulp might be worth a try for weight. As for trail riding the arab I workwd with was just like that the thing that worked the most was just stayin calm, talking, and when he even attempted to walk give a loose rein. It took me awhile and sometimes he would still get a little jiggy buy 90% of the time he'd walk. Now I'd also start out with short trail rides and maybe even if you have someone with a calmer horse ask them to ride with you and act as an example.
Just take your time, don't get frustrated and do not canter on the trail if you don't have full control.
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    10-08-2012, 09:47 PM
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Trained
Maybe he needs a solid, easy going buddy to go on trail rides with.

So far as I know, Triple Crown is pretty decent feed. I would think your other option is really beet pulp and grass pellets in ridiculous amounts.
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    10-08-2012, 09:49 PM
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Foal
Ie: Green Broke,

Thanks for the advice I will try the shorter trail rides but riding with someone who is calm only makes it worse because he tries to be in front the whole time. I have control of him but he is just bouncy all around. He is actually better at the canter because he is moving, and his canter is as fast as my pony's trot. It's the walking that I have to worry about BECAUSE he is not moving fast enough he will pace/grit his teeth/etc.
     
    10-08-2012, 09:50 PM
  #5
Foal
Also, Triple Crown Complete is a beet pulp based feed? That's the first ingredient. And he barely finishes what he eats already because I am trying to fatten him up.
     
    10-08-2012, 09:53 PM
  #6
Green Broke
That is exactly why you need tp stop cantering. If possible do circles, leg yields etc. Thw arab I worked was the same way had tk be in front but repeating is what worked, never let him get away with it but don't fight him stay calm and just hold him. It will take time but thw more often you dk it the better he will get.also the only way to get over him trying to be in front all the time is to ride woth others more often.
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    10-08-2012, 10:01 PM
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Trained
Alfalfa, pelleted or hay, rice bran, a good flax supplement and beetpulp. And always hay. Best given in a slowfeeder net.
NO GRAIN.
Second, try to throw away the reins when he gets antsy. Tb's in race training are ridden with contact to go fast. More contact = faster.

Third, work him in the arena. Nothing boring, keep him interested. Lots of bending, two tracking, shoulder in etc. NEVER straight. Then go out after arena work, in a WALK. To relax and cool down. He has to understand that going out doesn't mean running

Fourth, TURNOUT, as much as possible, best with a buddy he can run and play with.

I had a TB like this, didn't do anything but walk him outside for a whole year.
     
    10-08-2012, 10:01 PM
  #8
Trained
Like I said, I think Triple Crown is pretty good food, I haven't heard it associated with making a hot horse.

If your horse wants to be in front of a trail buddy, then let him be in front. That doesn't mean the energy of the more solid horse isn't there.

You are doing this horse zero favors by letting it trot and canter just because it won't walk. You need to relax, and just walk. Keep your hips relaxed and moving smoothly with him, do not lock your hips. Try giving him his head, loosen the reins and if he starts to trot up, back him up a few steps and give him rein again. My mare only gets excited on the trail when I ride her with contact, because she associates that with being able to run. Yes, this means you may be on a very LONG trail ride, but it's what your horse needs. You can also try to zig-zag him down the trail, it will keep his mind busier than if he were just walking in a straight line. Another thing is circles; he tries to speed up and you circle to the left, he tries to speed up and you circle to the right.

Most importantly, DO NOT let this horse move faster than a walk unless he can maintain and keep a decent walk for a WHOLE trail ride. And when you do start getting him to trot on trails, only trot away from home, and only do it when YOU ask him to trot. Do not canter on the trails unless he can maintain a decent walk even when he knows he can trot on the trails. And when I say decent walk, I mean four discernible steps. He can walk fast, but he has to WALK.
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    10-08-2012, 10:01 PM
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Trained
Alfalfa, pelleted or hay, rice bran, a good flax supplement and beetpulp. And always hay. Best given in a slowfeeder net.
NO GRAIN.
Second, try to throw away the reins when he gets antsy. Tb's in race training are ridden with contact to go fast. More contact = faster.

Third, work him in the arena. Nothing boring, keep him interested. Lots of bending, two tracking, shoulder in etc. NEVER straight. Then go out after arena work, in a WALK. To relax and cool down. He has to understand that going out doesn't mean running

Fourth, TURNOUT, as much as possible, best with a buddy he can run and play with.

I had a TB like this, didn't do anything but walk him outside for a whole year.
     
    10-08-2012, 10:41 PM
  #10
Foal
Deserthorsewoman: so youíre saying I should feed him nograin? How would he get fat? And he doesnít like alfalfa cubes or pellets and barely hay but I will try the flax. And he is on rice bran and the feed he gets is majorly beet pulp. He isnít in a barn he is on pasture turnout because heís too antsy. He is in a 25 acre pasture with my other pony and 20 other horses that has grass everywhere and a river.

I do a LOT of arena work with him but I like to run as well so I would like to occasionally run him but when I want to walk him out and cool him down he just doesnít want to stop. Iím telling you we went on a 9 mile trail ride and he was still ready to go.

Riccil0ve: He zig-zags by himself on trails lol and I walked him the majority of the trail today for about 20 minutes of the ending and he was walking but he definitely didnít like it at all. A thing about turning him and circles is that he does it very quickly and had a tendency to fall on himself the other day because I turned him and he hopped it.
I like to canter though is that okay? Can I just let him not RUN and keep it collected and over time heíll get the picture or do I literally have to walk for a year? Also, he will only prance at a walk, no walking fast or extending. Trust me, I used to show dressage at a novice level so I know hot to handle a horse but this one is just crazy! Keep in mind this is only on trails. In an arena he is perfect.
     

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