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    10-08-2012, 11:46 PM
  #11
Trained
I like to canter too, but it isn't really about YOU, it's about having a well-behaved and well-trained horse. If you want to keep running and cantering on the trails, he will never change and probably get worse. You say you usually ride in the arena first and then take a trail ride, so why can't you just canter in the arena?

It's your horse, so you can do whatever you want, but I would not, under any circumstances, even trot this horse until he can WALK on a trail ride. Only then will we start trotting. When he can trot and WALK on the trail, we will start cantering.
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    10-09-2012, 12:19 AM
  #12
Green Broke
Triple Crown Complete is an OK feed- I generally steer clear of any feed that had molasses in the top 5 ingredients, but TC Complete still manages to have a reasonable NSC (20%) compared to most sweet feeds. Still, if you suspect that the feed might be affecting her behavior you can try switching to something with a lower NSC, like TC Senior (11.7%). Going grain free is a good goal, but is much harder to do with extremely hard keepers like some TB's.

Even though beet pulp is a major ingredient in the feed, it will still help put on more weight if you feed additional in a separate mash. Check out NordicJumper's feeding regime for her ultra-hard-keeper TB: New Feeding Regime
     
    10-09-2012, 02:37 AM
  #13
Yearling
Hey there,
You mention he is on pasture turnout. If the pasture is quite green what may be going on (and I would bet my life on this) is a potassium overload. If you are not already doing so add 3Tbsp yes TABLESPOONS of plain salt per day into his feed - all horses on green grass who are not grazing near the sea need this. Even if he has a salt lick in the paddock it will not be enough. If you want more info on this here is a brilliant link...
ProvideIt Multi Vitamin & Minerals for Horses
Also, I don't know about pasture over that side of the world but ours is severely magnesium depleted and this causes all sorts of problems
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    10-09-2012, 09:40 PM
  #14
Green Broke
We don't even grain our polo horses. They just get pasture and a little grass hay and have plenty of energy to be exercised and played 5 or 6 days a week during hot weather.

I really don't get the problems I hear about OTTBs. I grew up on tracks and still am on them, riding horses a week in the spring and a week in the fall. We walk them to the track on a loose rein, and then often have to stand - still - while waiting for someone else to come along who is going to do a similar workout, when you need to work in company. Then we walk back to the barn. On a loose rein.

It is not, and is rarely, a full gallop out there. Sometimes even it is just trotting a few miles. And all done in the precious snaffle bit. And those horses are fed some grain. Big amounts.
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    10-10-2012, 10:39 PM
  #15
Foal
Sorry I guess I'm not as cool as you with your amazingly bred TB's...

Tango's great great grandsire is Secretariat so he has a bloodline of being heavily raced, the same jockey that rode Zenyatta, John Smith, rode Tango as well so I think he was raced with a lot of pushiness to win. I don't exactly know how he was, but I just recently got him in July.

I bought him some calming vitamin oil from FinishLine to see if that helps but I am going to try adding beet pulp and maybe a food with less molasses in it and still the rice bran supplement. I'm going to finish what I have first though.

And I like to go fast is what I'm saying, I'm not going to hinder a horse from what he is biologically and genetically shaped to do - legs. I will on the other hand, make him work all days of the week, in the arena and then WALK him on the trails. Then maybe 1 day out of the week I will let him run. Although I do find it weird when I'm in a hackamore and bareback he will stop on a dime and not pace or anything. I think I might just get a more durable hackamore and just start riding him in that and start from scratch. Then I will go into a bit, maybe a french link D-ring or something and see how he likes that.

These things will take time to tell if they work but I just want to make sure he's on the right food, and workout regime before I go assuming that he's crazy and selling him. He's my second baby and I love him, I want to work it out with him, not go and sell him because he's too hard to deal with ya know?
     
    10-10-2012, 11:46 PM
  #16
Yearling
A lot of Tbs I have rescued had very bruised roof of the mouths due to hard hands in a snaffle bit. I now ride all my horses in a crossunder bitless bridle which they LOVE and go beautifully in. If you need a bit the best I have found is the barrel jointed Myler bits. Tbs are wonderful, loyal sensitive beings. Good for you for taking him on.
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    10-11-2012, 12:03 AM
  #17
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Originally Posted by boots    
We don't even grain our polo horses. They just get pasture and a little grass hay and have plenty of energy to be exercised and played 5 or 6 days a week during hot weather.

I really don't get the problems I hear about OTTBs. I grew up on tracks and still am on them, riding horses a week in the spring and a week in the fall. We walk them to the track on a loose rein, and then often have to stand - still - while waiting for someone else to come along who is going to do a similar workout, when you need to work in company. Then we walk back to the barn. On a loose rein.

It is not, and is rarely, a full gallop out there. Sometimes even it is just trotting a few miles. And all done in the precious snaffle bit. And those horses are fed some grain. Big amounts.
Yup....I worked at the track for a long time too. I think after a while you get desensitized to the little antics that the racetrack TBs do, and you just relax and go with the flow. You could be walking home from the track, where the horse has stood quietly...or not.....and it will be spazzing out on the lead rope but it doesn't even phase you and you just keep walking forward....it's funny how used to something a person can get. Even now I find I don't get phased by stuff when other people react.....
Yes, and galloping is not a daily thing. At our track, gallops on the grass was Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays......only the horses that were race fit galloped....on one of those days....once a week.
I haven't read all of this thread, but couldn't help but relate to Boots.
Also, we could ride one horse saddled, and pony one off each side on the way to the track and ride home (on the sheet) bareback and pony one off each side....usually on a loose rein.
     
    10-11-2012, 12:05 AM
  #18
Yearling
Since I don't know a ridiculous amount about horse feeding, I let my BO switch Reno to what she feeds her horses when I brought him there to board. We started him on Purina Ultium, which he eventually stopped eating...then we switched him to Omolene, which made him crazy hot and just not himself. Now he's on Purina Equine Senior (even though he's only 4 1/2) and is his usual laid-back self, and it took a good few months but he went from looking like a skinny racer (after over a year off the track) to the decent (?) chunk in my more recent photos.

I'm always open to learning more about how I can take better care of my horse. I want him to be healthy and happy. If it means I have to have a specialized diet for him and pay for it myself, I'm willing to get a third job to do so. I'm just that determined to keep him healthy.
     
    10-11-2012, 12:12 AM
  #19
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Also, I just re-read your original post.....one thing I really learned with TBs, when they get all antsy, crow hopping, dancing etc.....sooooothe him.....keep moving forward at a walk, DO NOT STOP THE FORWARD MOTION, because those snazzy dance movements get much more exaggerated at a stand still!!!! So keep walking, and quietly soothe him......whooooooa now, whoooooa now.....TBs are VERY VERY receptive to soothing. No touching, just forward motion and a low soothing voice.
That's the difference I noticed between TBs and QHs....TBs you have to convince to do something.....a QH you can make do something.....
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    10-11-2012, 12:27 AM
  #20
Foal
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Thank you all for your help.

Muppetgirl, I usually ride him and pony my pony, but I think I might start ponying him since she is a little bit easier to control. He is amazing and wonderful at dressage in an arena, we just need help in the fields. We'll get there but if from now on everyone who posts could keep a positive attitude. I'm only 21, and even though I've been riding since I was 3, I'm sure there are even more things I can learn. I've never owned such a hot horse, so I am new to their nature. I just need help, not criticism please.
     

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