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    08-29-2013, 02:38 PM
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Nutrena Safe choice vs Nutrena Triumph -and are Oats good for a dieting horse?

Has anybody ever fed Nutrena Triumph? I just recently found out about if from a girl boarding her horse with mine. She switched her gelding from Safe Choice to the Triumph 12%.

I know people say the Safe Choice has a high sugar content? And it isn't a fixed mix for the feed, I'm aware. Neither of the Nutrena Safe Choice or Triumph is...

Does the Triumph have a lower sugar content than the Safe Choice?

Has anybody here ever fed it to their horses?

My gelding had trouble with colic while he was eating Purina Healthy edge and alfalfa, so Safe Choice is what I was reccomended to switch him to by my vet.
I have heard its not the best for colicky horses, due to the mix not being consistent.
My gelding has yet to colic on it though. But I have had a hard time getting him to gain muscle and to gain weight. He is also eating cool calories. I think he is just getting fat off the cool calories though and I have began to cut him back off them.


But I was just wondering if the Triumph feed would be a good alernative feed, I believe it is suppose to have the same probiotics in it that Safe Choice claims to have?

Is anybody more familiar with these feeds?



Second question:

Are oats a good diet feed for an overweight mare? When I got her she was a bit under weight. So I worked to get her weight back on her, feeding her beet pulp and oats with Purina Healthy edge. She loves healthy edge. I quickly cut her down to a scoop of healthy edge a day. Then noticed her still gaining weight, cut her down to 3/4 a scoop...then 1/2 a scoop... Moved her to a new barn, and my new farrier told me she is pretty over weight still. She has turned into an easy keeper, which I wasn't anticipating since when I got her she was so underweight. Farrier told me to just give her a little bit of oats when I feed the other horses.
She's a bit of a begger. She begs constantly. At my old barn people would feed her every time she begged.

Now she's getting less than 1/2 a scoop of crimped oats and a small handful of healthy edge(I feel bad throwing the rest of it away? And she likes it..so it's like a small treat for her... I probably shouldn't...).


She has access to a Himalayan salt lick in her stall. A large red mineral block outside in the pasture, and small white salt blocks.

She has navicular disease, so the farrier recommended no alfalfa. I was going to subsititute her healthy edge for alfalfa pellets before he told me just to give her oats.

Are oats okay for a dieting horse? She has lost weight already, but I'm concerened she should get more that just oats and her minerals? Is there anything else I should give her? Or should I try to give her a dry pellet instead of the oats?

I can post pics of them if you are curious about either of these guys and their current weights.
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    08-29-2013, 03:00 PM
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Triumph is higher in NSC than Safe Choice (34% vs 22%). Safe Choice Special Care is reasonably low (15%), but if your horse is an easy keeper you might look into a ration balancer instead. Nutrena's is called Empower Balance (not to be confused with Empower Boost, which is a fat supplement). Depending on what brands are available in your area, there may be a better option out there. I really like Triple Crown's products (they're fixed formula and most are low NSC), but it can be a little bit harder to find in some areas.

Ration balancers provide the vitamins, minerals, and protein of a fortified grain product without the extra calories and sugar.

I wouldn't feed oats to an overweight horse. Oats have very little in the way of nutrition; they're mostly an additional energy/calorie source. I'm not sure why your farrier would recommend oats over alfalfa. An overweight horse doesn't need either, but at least alfalfa is nutritious.
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    08-29-2013, 03:34 PM
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If you're worried about her not getting enough from just hay, you can give her .75 of a pound or so of something like Enrich 32 which has pretty much all of the vitamins and minerals needed in much smaller bulk than normal feeds. If you aren't too worried about that but want her to have something to munch on when the other horses are eating, you could get oat hay pellets, timothy pellets, or even orchard hay pellets and just give her a half pound or so. It really won't put weight on her but she'll feel like she's getting something. How much hay is she getting daily? That may be a factor in why she's still overweight. She might just not need free choice hay like some horses do to keep her weight.
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    08-29-2013, 03:52 PM
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My gelding isn't really an easy keeper, he has gained weight recently from being on Cool Calories. If he wasn't on them he would still be on the skinny side.
I haven't heard of Safe Choice Special Care, I might look into that one if the NSC is lower.

Which Triple Crown formula is good for colicky horses?
Stienhausers is by my barn, they have most of the Triple Crown feeds I believe.



For my fatty mare would a dry pellet be a better option than oats then? She doesn't get a lot of feed, she gets less than 1/2 a scoop. Probably closer to 1/3 of a scoop.
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    08-29-2013, 04:02 PM
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If you're worried about her not getting enough from just hay, you can give her .75 of a pound or so of something like Enrich 32 which has pretty much all of the vitamins and minerals needed in much smaller bulk than normal feeds. If you aren't too worried about that but want her to have something to munch on when the other horses are eating, you could get oat hay pellets, timothy pellets, or even orchard hay pellets and just give her a half pound or so. It really won't put weight on her but she'll feel like she's getting something. How much hay is she getting daily? That may be a factor in why she's still overweight. She might just not need free choice hay like some horses do to keep her weight.

Yes, I really just give her the oats so she feels like she's eating with the other guys when she comes inside for the day. She's turned out with them for 12-15 hours a day. Then she's stalled and gets hay and the oats.

There is some free choice hay in the pasture but I never see her eat it, the two geldings eat it but she will be grazing close by. She could eat some when I'm not there. But the grass is very low and dry right now, I live in Texas. We haven't had a lot of rain in my area.

Would mineral licks provide her with enough minerals or should I look into the Enrich 32?
I want her to be healthy at least, especially since she has the navicular disease in her front feet. I don't ride her, so she doesn't get a lot of excercise other than her just being turned out. Occasionally she will escape and run around the hay pasture lol. Just want something to make her feel like she's eating with the guys, but for her to still be getting a nutritional value from it.
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    08-29-2013, 04:42 PM
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I'm in Texas too, so the pasture is probably fine for her to be grazing on this time of year. The mineral lick is fine for the minerals but I'd still worry about the vitamins. If you don't want to go the Enrich 32 route (in my area of Texas its rather expensive...$30.99 per bag) you could just go with a supplement such as Sho Glo potentially. If she'll eat it by itself, great. If not, you can mix it in with a little bit of grass hay pellets or something.
     
    08-29-2013, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Endiku    
I'm in Texas too, so the pasture is probably fine for her to be grazing on this time of year. The mineral lick is fine for the minerals but I'd still worry about the vitamins. If you don't want to go the Enrich 32 route (in my area of Texas its rather expensive...$30.99 per bag) you could just go with a supplement such as Sho Glo potentially. If she'll eat it by itself, great. If not, you can mix it in with a little bit of grass hay pellets or something.
Oh yeah, 30$ a bag is a bit.. I will look at the sho glo, she is rather picky though. I'm surprised she eats the oats honestly. I'll look into Timothy cubes and soak them for her.

Thanks for the help!
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    08-29-2013, 04:57 PM
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If you can get Triple Crown Safe Starch forage and Tripe Crown Low Starch pellets then that's what I would recommend you feed
Both are molasses free, low starch, and have a balance of essential vitamins, oils and minerals. You can add a small amount of sugar beet pulp to moisten it or damp with water.
This will give you a high fibre feed that's going to be great for a horse that's prone to colic
     
    08-29-2013, 10:11 PM
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The good thing about Enrich is that dispite it's price, it really doesn't cost much more than another feed when you get down to it simply because you feed a lot less of it. While you may need to feed 4-6 lbs of another feed to get the right amount of minerals and vitamins, you need only a lb or so of Enrich.

I have no experience with Triple Crown feeds because they aren't sold in my area, but you might check out the ones jaydee listed too. I've heard nothing but good about that brand.


If you get the timothy, go ahead and get pellets. It will be much easier to mix the Sho Glo (its supposedly very palatable for horses by the way) in with timothy pellets than timothy cubes, and its less important to thoroughly soak them.
     
    08-31-2013, 04:27 PM
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Producers Super Sheen Dry Mix | Horse

What do you guys think of this feed? Are links okay on here? Not sure... They don't sell the product online, it just has nutrition information and the mix.
I know Producers doesn't use a set mix on a lot of their feeds, but I have good luck with feeding it to my cows...

Any thoughts on that feed though?
It's Super Sheen Dry Mix from Producers co-op.

It is molasses free... 10% protein 6.6% fat and 9% fiber.
It contains mostly oats, with some cracked corn, a lot of powder stuff...and some sort of hay pellet from what I could see in their sample bag. And it was 11$ a bag almost, so not that expensive.

Curious if anybody thinks I could feed it to my gelding and to my mare?
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