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post #11 of 59 Old 09-19-2012, 10:25 AM
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Loosie....what do you mean " not sure".......
if it's the "ehemmm".......I can explain that
Punks asked about nutrition in her other thread. And I told her.....the exact same thing that was said here...and what you said....hence the ehemm....she understood
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yup! Not that I don't completely trust you desert :P but making a huge change like that I'd like to get a bunch of opinions see what sorts of alternatives there are and weight the options.

I'm going to go to the feed store today - I like triple crown too, so if they don't have it I'll get hay cubes to soak with her supplements.

As for calling smart pak, I actually went the other day (ok twice in a row) and asked them a million questions, they didn't really seem to know about whether I should keep or ditch the grain, they only knew about their supplements to add. Which is how I walked away with Smart Omega 3 and Smart Calm Ultra xD But I think that was just the employees, maybe I'll try calling the advisers there, that's a good idea!
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Wahhhh.....now you make me feel bad.....
Just joking
You're right in not believing all what is said on a forum. Or what is written somewhere.
My mom used to say "paper is patient"... meaning anybody can write anything on it, it won't check if true or false. Same with the internet.
But, as you probably noticed, there are people here who do know what they are talking about, with years, even decades of experience
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Absolutely! That's why I ask on here :P
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post #15 of 59 Old 09-19-2012, 02:21 PM
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I was able to coax my local tractor supply into carrying Nutrena's Empower Balance. It pretty much took pleading all winter long. I know they are giving the manager grief now because she doesn't sell enough of it. If they bother her too much I will call corporate and light them up. Done it before. I'm guessing from the way the pile goes down it's only myself and one other feeding it. I love what I'm seeing in my horses coats. My 37 yr old pony is shiny and covered in dapples once again so are the other 2.

Before I was able to get the nutrena balance I was feeding Equi Pro MVP by Poulin. I don't know where you are. Poulin is pretty much available only in the northeast. I love the stuff but the nearest store is an hour ride from my house and driving in the winter gets a little rough. The poulin dealer also carries the lowest carb hay stretcher I could find, lower by lots and lots. When I try to give them just the ration balancer they act like I'm starving them to death so I do trek to poulin for the hay stretcher once the grass is done.

The beauty of the ration balancers is you are feeding them so little of it you can change brands or drop it in and out without a problem. My pony gets 1/3 of a cup a day.

The small app mare gets just shy of a cup and my walker gets a full cup.

I have to honestly say I haven't feed whole grains or feeds with visible whole grains in it for ages. It never made much sense to me to feed them that way unless they were into some serious work. In the wild the only grain they would get is odds and ends when the grass seeds were ripe just before winter. The wild grasses don't have particularly big seeds. I did feed a complete pellet that was in itself half hay to make sure the nutrition got into them. I've been blessed with easy keepers so they looked great and were even fat on just a little and free choice hay and a little beet pulp. Wasn't until my pony started looking her age I got scared and found the ration balancers. She looks 10 years younger.

I've had drafts. Most are such incredibly easy keepers it's not funny. Cresty on just good grass hay.

I wish there was such a thing as ration balancers 20 years ago. It makes things so much simpler feeding 3 different horses. They finish the RB in a few bites. Then they get some low starch hay stretcher so they don't think I've cheated them. I don't have to worry about the pony getting into a high test feed.

Magnesium...it's in a lot of calming supplements, mare and foal supplements. It's in a lot of supplements for IR. None of my horses are hot or spooky. I sprinkle a little in their food. Like a teaspoon for each. A 50 lb bag of Mag Ox cost me a whooping 14 dollars. Nothing much to loose there. I do know New England soils are generally very poor in magnesium and calcium. Couldn't hurt. I do notice the old pony seems less puffy around her eyes. Kind of like less water weight gain.

Walkin', middle Tenn. or middle NH. Seems the same. I had some meth head screaming on my front lawn 2 days ago. I have no near neighbors. If she hadn't been so tiny and sickly looking I might have been frightened. She was in screaming meltdown over a can of paint. No idea who she was. It's happened before.
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Great post, SueNH
Tractor Supply has Empower on their website "select stores only".
I went to mine and asked about it. They don't even have it on their list! So I asked about ordering. Nope, because not on the list. But they had a special "horse day" last Saturday and gave out coupons for Empower.......should I call Corporate? I know its not my local store's fault. They said they'd have to order a whole pallet, 16 bags too. Apparently it's not possible to get just one or two of an item.
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Wow xD thats crazy!!

I just went to my feed store i picked up nutrena empower grass balancer and am very excited. It says to go by weight but i dont have a tiny scale how much do you feed your drafts in cups? I need about 1.3 pounds a day if i did the math right, 1300 pound mare at .1 pounds of feed per 100 pounds bodyweight? But i don't know how much that is in cups - i may just have to go get a scale xD
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yup! Not that I don't completely trust you desert :P but making a huge change like that I'd like to get a bunch of opinions see what sorts of alternatives there are and weight the options.

I'm going to go to the feed store today - I like triple crown too, so if they don't have it I'll get hay cubes to soak with her supplements.

As for calling smart pak, I actually went the other day (ok twice in a row) and asked them a million questions, they didn't really seem to know about whether I should keep or ditch the grain, they only knew about their supplements to add. Which is how I walked away with Smart Omega 3 and Smart Calm Ultra xD But I think that was just the employees, maybe I'll try calling the advisers there, that's a good idea!
You WENT there? :O Like, you live in Massachusetts and WENT TO THE STORE?!! :O

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Good girl, Punks

Just got off the phone with TSC customer service....they can special order it, 10 bags at a time. But will not carry it, maybe next year, since they evaluate beginning if the year what sells the best.
Pretty sad.
Can't get 10 bags at a crack, they'll go bad, with only two horses.
Now im off to find another Nutrena dealer and will wave TSC Farewell*frantically looking for the devil smilie*

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post #20 of 59 Old 09-19-2012, 03:39 PM
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Take a measuring cup full in a plastic bag and slip it on a scale at the supermarket.

Want to cheat a little than there is this chart by Poulin. The nutrena is just about the same weight. I go a little less with the nutrena because it is a bit more nutrient dense.

http://www.poulingrain.com/resources...n_or_scoop.pdf

Resources | Poulin Grain - High Quality Dairy, Equine, Pet, And Livestock Feeds

Lot of good charts and short articles. Poulin is also great about answering questions.

My area nutrena rep I give a lot of credit to as well. He bent over backwards for me and even went as far as lugging feed in his personal vehicle when I was trying to fatten up my walker without sending her into carb overload. There is no nutrena dealer withing 75 miles, maybe more, in my area beyond tractor supply. They are working on it but all the deals fell through so far.

You can try calling tractor supply corporate. I also contacted cargill. That's how the rep brought me feed. That and I really laid it on thick to the local manager about my old pony and how if I didn't get her the absolute lowest carb and sugar diet I could she would pretty much die soon. The young woman's eyes were tearing up when I was done. I also made the store warehouse manager aware of the pony's special needs. I think I covered it pretty good.
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