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    02-21-2011, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by MN Tigerstripes    
Here's the argument I've heard from show/race people.

Hay (no matter the quality) is unable to provide the shear amount of calories needed for these horses. They also have greater demands for other nutrients that hay is unable to provide. That is why they need hard feed.

Now I've wondered in the past if a high quality alfalfa fed in high quanities is capable of meeting these energy needs.

Granted most of the horses around the world are more than capable of meeting their needs on a good grass hay or pasture, but what about the extreme atheletes?

Extreme atheletes need more then hay can provide no arguement there many endurance horses are adding those calories with fat I don't think it will ever catch on for race horses too expensive :)
     
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    02-21-2011, 06:33 PM
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Do you think a dairy quality alfalfa could make up the extra calories?
     
    02-21-2011, 08:41 PM
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I dunno it would honestly depend on the horse.
     
    02-21-2011, 09:14 PM
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So when I eventually get my horse and have it examined by a vet, the vet can give proper nutrition suggestions? This is very different in the dog world as most vets recommend foods packed with unnecessary fillers and grains :)

Also my first horse will be strictly for enjoyment riding, like trail riding, no competitive/highly athletic stuff :) Not sure if that makes a difference in advice
     
    02-21-2011, 09:21 PM
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Your vet (unfortunately) will probably not be able to give you sound nutritional advice. They receive very little nutritional schooling, though that is hopefully changing.

Your best bet is to find an actual equine nutritionist (by degree not by job title). Your second best bet is to start researching now.

In reality if you have an "easy" horse that is lightly ridden (4-5 times a week, walk trot, canter for an hour or so) you will more than likely be perfectly fine with a good quality grass hay. Make sure your pasture is healthy and that the green isn't weeds. It would be great if you tested your soil to see what the mineral levels are too. Testing your hay/pasture is a good idea also.

It's great that you've started researching now instead of after you have a horse!
     
    02-21-2011, 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by pawzaddict    
so when I eventually get my horse and have it examined by a vet, the vet can give proper nutrition suggestions? This is very different in the dog world as most vets recommend foods packed with unnecessary fillers and grains :)

Also my first horse will be strictly for enjoyment riding, like trail riding, no competitive/highly athletic stuff :) Not sure if that makes a difference in advice

Being in AZ you can probably get Puriana's Enrich 32 (( while I don't like Purina) depending on where you are will depend onwhat else you can get


RAW for a horse will be pasture and hay with a vitamin/mineral package backing it
     
    02-21-2011, 10:37 PM
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It's great that you've started researching now instead of after you have a horse!
:) Thanks

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Being in AZ you can probably get Puriana's Enrich 32 (( while I don't like Purina) depending on where you are will depend onwhat else you can get


RAW for a horse will be pasture and hay with a vitamin/mineral package backing it
What is purina's enrich? Is that a probiotic/supplement?

As for grass, are there certain types you buy or is the everyday lawn grass appropriate? I am used to seeing hay and pellets used for feed (well what I can remember that is).

Finally, what about things like carrots? Is that just a treat and is that only for occasional treats?

Sorry I have so many questions I am making a little journal with all this info so I have a good idea at least to begin with when I get my lovely horse :)
     
    02-22-2011, 11:17 AM
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What is purina's enrich? Is that a probiotic/supplement?
Think Flintstone vitamin on steriods. It is a vitamin/mineral supplement designed to fill in the gaps left by the "average" hay

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As for grass, are there certain types you buy or is the everyday lawn grass appropriate? I am used to seeing hay and pellets used for feed (well what I can remember that is).
Hay or grass are forage so that should be your base to build from

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Finally, what about things like carrots? Is that just a treat and is that only for occasional treats?
CArrots are treats


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:)
Sorry I have so many questions I am making a little journal with all this info so I have a good idea at least to begin with when I get my lovely horse :)
We all started somewhere and I would rather see you do the research first then buy the horse ... then come to us with a foundered or colicing horse.
     
    02-22-2011, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Peggysue    
in reality a diet low in sugars and starches and higher in fats and of course based off of forage is best for ANY horse. Very few horses need the added sugars and starches from grains like Corn, Oats and barley.

So ideal diet for ANY horse is hay in approriate amount to keep horse at good weight
Vitamin/minerals to balance that hay
Fats as needed for energy and weight gain
There are horses that can not do hay. So saying that does not work. It is a good generalization, though.
     
    02-22-2011, 11:40 AM
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AB every horse HAS to have forage be in hay, cubes or grass that is what keeps their system working. Very few horses can't do hay at all even smooth mouths need hay to keep the saliva flowing
     

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